Men’s Health with Jacob Hoyle: Episode 310

In Episode 310, we sit down with Jacob “Jake” Hoyle, a transformational personal trainer and health coach, to explore the urgent topic of men’s health—physically, mentally, spiritually, and financially. As the founder of FITVIEW Wellness LLC, Jake shares insights from over 15 years of experience helping thousands of clients make sustainable lifestyle changes through personalized fitness and nutrition programs. We discuss the common challenges men face today—like stress, societal expectations, and the pressure to provide—and how Jake’s holistic approach addresses not just the body, but the mind and spirit. This episode also highlights the upcoming Men’s Health Seminar on June 21st, designed to equip men with the tools, support, and community they need to thrive. With an expert panel covering faith, mental wellness, fitness, and finances, the event aims to break down stigma and inspire real transformation.

Tune in to see Men’s Health Through a Therapist’s Eyes.

Think about these three questions as you listen:  

• What does “men’s health” mean to you personally?
• What challenges have you faced in maintaining your physical and mental well-being?
• How do you define success in your health journey?

Links referenced during the show: 

https://www.trainerize.me/profile/fitviewpersonaltraining/Jacob.Hoyle?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.throughatherapistseyes.com/category/podcasts/mentalhealthtips

https://www.throughatherapistseyes.com/category/podcasts/selfmanagement

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This is the human emotional experience, which we do endeavor to figure out together. Mr. Jacob Hoyle. Listen to this dude, John. He is a transformational certified. I added the word transformational. Appreciate that man. [00:02:00] Jacob Hoyle is a transformational certified personal trainer and health coach, and he founded the Fifth View Wellness based in Little Low.

Is that how they say it now? Well, now if you’re 

Jacob Hoyle: throwing the Southern twang in there, you got it. It’s uh, it sounds like ELL with a a, but it’s Lowell Lo. Wow. I couldn’t have done that all. Well, or you, how do you pronounce law? Uh, lo 

Chris Gazdik: Law. Lo, yeah. Law. Alright. Law. Anyway, we’ll just say from. The Charlotte area in North Carolina, uh, he’s over here 15 years experience.

He’s assisted thousands nationally and hundreds locally in achieving their health goals through customized, it is customized training, uh, and nutrition programs. Jake, how do they find you with Fit View? I wanna get that out in the front end to make sure, because honestly, I’m gonna give you a personal compliment.

Uh, I will out myself and tell you that he is my personal trainer. He is working with a. I don’t know, what should I say, man? A, a project in myself. Mm-hmm. Yep. But he is really, [00:03:00] truly super excellent at what he does. I have high respect, high praise, absolutely honored and privileged to work with him personally for myself.

So you too can experience Jacob Hoyle. Where do they do that, Jacob? Appreciate 

Jacob Hoyle: that, man. Well, uh, the easiest way to find us is on Google, uh, fit wellness.com. Uh, we have two sites, actually. We have a Google site, uh, for corporate wellness. So we work with a lot of corporations as well, who are, uh, interested in helping to get their work staff, uh, healthy and on the right path to wellness.

And then you can, if you wanna become a personal training client, a wellness client of ours in the house, you can go directly to our website. Um, that’s the easiest way to find us and we’ve been really blessed locally. Word of mouth. I mean, we’ve trained so many people here. When I first started, I wasn’t Fit View Wellness, I was busy Body, mobile fitness.

Chris Gazdik: I didn’t know that back 

Jacob Hoyle: in 2009. Nice. I, I, you know, went around literally operating outta the trunk of my car. Um, you know, just trying to make a name for myself and then I rebranded. Oh wow. We became Fit View, uh, later of oh nine. Uh, but ever since then, man, I’ve [00:04:00] been living my dream helping change lives, helping people get healthy.

So you around 

John-Nelson Pope: for 16 years? 

Jacob Hoyle: Yes, sir. That’s an accomplishment. Yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: Outstanding. 

Jacob Hoyle: Literally right after high school I started. 

Chris Gazdik: Wow. 

Jacob Hoyle: So, 

Chris Gazdik: yeah. Full bore into this stuff, man. Yeah. John, he like enjoys working out. Yeah, 

Jacob Hoyle: I work, I work out. John’s a workout maniac man. I love it, man. You gotta come outta that studio.

Do in, 

John-Nelson Pope: do you do like, uh, silver, uh, sneakers? We do, we do actually. 

Jacob Hoyle: Listen man, we train clients, uh, literally high school level athletes all the way to people having total hip replacement. Okay. And I, I say that with a lot of experience, but also like, it’s really fun to watch because you go in there and you see multitude of clients, um, just different demographics, people, low level fitness people that are d one level athletes.

I mean, there there’s not a whole lot that we can’t handle. And I, I say that with a great sense of pride. 

Chris Gazdik: Yeah, absolutely. So. No, you know? Yeah. It’s, it’s such an honor and a privilege to work with people in the way that, that we do, whether you’re talking about a therapy service or, [00:05:00] you know, a, a personalized experience with training and, you know, nutritional therapy.

I’ve been turned onto You do a lot of that too, with the coaching. I know. Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s, it really is crazy. And, and what an honor to work with people and see the, I mean, you gotta see amazing transformations. Yeah. Well, I was on 

John-Nelson Pope: the website and I was seeing these guys and they Oh, yeah. Lost.

Quite a bit of weight. Yeah. And toned up. Muscled up. Yeah. And, but, and 

Jacob Hoyle: it, it’s amazing man. ’cause usually the, the number one thing we hear is, I don’t want to get buff. I don’t wanna be this big guy. And like, we never as coaches go in with the intention of turning you into that. Right, right. Our goal is, you know, our niche client and people say, well, what’s your niche client?

It’s actually a lot of what we’re gonna talk about today. Mm-hmm. And it’s the, the middle aged. Man or woman. Um, but they went through that lifestyle. He’s calling me middle age John. Did you 

John-Nelson Pope: notice that? So in other words, you help him become cut or more cut. We help. As opposed to being like muscle bound.

Right? Right. I can put this 

Chris Gazdik: word in ’cause he’s told me this about 20,000 times. Mm-hmm. It’s functional fitness. There you [00:06:00] go, John. I like that. Did I get 

Jacob Hoyle: that right? That you did? You did. You hit the nail on the head. The goal is always like, vitality, level of wellness first. Mm-hmm. And those other things, the aesthetics, I mean, that’s just a cherry on top.

But what you notice is when we kind of shift gears with people like, Hey, I’ve, I’ve turned this into a lifestyle, which is our number one goal. Um, it’s never, it’s very rarely with that niche clientele, they’re coming in thinking, I wanna look a certain way. It’s, Hey man, I, I got time for myself again. I’ve done this for x amount of years.

I’m ready to give back myself. Or I’ve had a health scare, something like that. And then they turn the switch and then all those positive changes happen and you see their body transform, and then that’s when the confidence happens. 

Chris Gazdik: Well, you know, I’ll tell you, I, I love this quote. It, it’s, it’s an amazing quote and it fits with this in that, uh, a friend of mine made this statement, you find out it 50 years old, how well you took care of yourself at 30 years 

Jacob Hoyle: old.

Chris Gazdik: Mm, true. And I feel like that is profound. Yeah. And I think it’s true, [00:07:00] John, you could probably tell me for sure or not if it’s true, but I think that you find out at 70 years old how you took care of yourself at 50. Yeah, right. Exactly. I think I screwed the first one up. I’m trying. Good for the second one.

I think you’re gonna do 

John-Nelson Pope: outstanding. 

Chris Gazdik: I’m trying, 

Jacob Hoyle: but 

Chris Gazdik: that is 

Jacob Hoyle: a big 

Chris Gazdik: deal, 

Jacob Hoyle: Jake. It, I would think. Right? It’s, yeah. Yeah. I mean, what you do, uh, in your earlier years does tend to show up, you know, especially in the twenties, thirties shows up in your forties. Um, we see it all the time. That nagging shoulder injury or, you know, that high cholesterol, high blood pressure, you know, it didn’t just happen overnight.

Chris Gazdik: Yeah. 

Jacob Hoyle: It happened a couple decades prior. 

Chris Gazdik: And I’ll tell you how powerful it is. And I, I’ll just comment about this in, in insofar as just health in general. You know, I was really surprised you made a comment one day. Jake doesn’t know this, uh, in the, he made a comment. He, he said, I have strong legs. Yeah, he did.

He said it. John, I’m telling you, it’s true. 

John-Nelson Pope: You have strong legs. Yeah, man, that’s, 

Chris Gazdik: that’s excellent. 

John-Nelson Pope: That’s your second heart. But here’s the, 

Chris Gazdik: but here’s the thing. Why When I was a kid, Uhhuh not [00:08:00] as an adult. Well, actually I can’t say that. Up. I’m gonna say up until, well, up until I was really into raising kids, when I entered into the lost decade, dude, I rode my bike hard.

Mm-hmm. I mean, I was always into my bike and I mean, I’m in muscle memory, I’m in Wheeling, West Virginia now I’m telling you what was a kid. And them hills is real hills. They ain’t playing up there. And so, but I hadn’t done it from like, I don’t know, 30 till now, I guess. Right. 

Jacob Hoyle: But the thing I’ve notice with Chris is, you know, if we do like an isolation exercise, a leg press or a leg extension, like you notice, it starts to burn pretty quick.

I put him on the sled, he flies through it. Because he’s so used, his baseline was really founded in functional movements. Mm-hmm. You were doing stuff like pad on a bike, locomotion, that, that muscle’s been there. It’s been trained. Mm-hmm. It is just, we trained it in a different way. Right. Oh, yeah. So it was really, you know, the strengths and weaknesses that we see.

I always tell a client, I gave ’em what’s called a squat. It’s like, you what the business strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats. What, what are your strengths? We don’t touch a lot on that, but like most of the time when you’re working with me [00:09:00] one on one, I’m doing the things that you hate and that make make you hate me.

Yeah. But it’s like, we’ll, we’ll touch on it. But if I see, hey, this isn’t a, a really area of concern for me as a coach, then we’re gonna prioritize the training around the things where he’s struggling. Mm-hmm. Or just people in general. And being as 

Chris Gazdik: sedentary as I am with a, with a, you know, a job that I sit a lot at.

I mean, I’m sure that he’s picked that out and he’s crushing my core and killing my arms and you know, I barely driving home some days. Yeah, yeah. But because that’s what it needs, right? Right. So I think that’s the thing in working with a, with a trainer or someone like Jay, can you have people on staff?

You have multiple people. So we can serve a lot. Great team, man. You know, and, and. They pick up on all that. That’s what’s amazing about it. You could do your own thing, but I, I didn’t know anything about it. Yeah, 

Jacob Hoyle: man. And you know, just to give kudos to my staff and hopefully they’ll watch this at one point, man, we, we have the, A team love ’em to death.

I couldn’t ask, um, just godsend clinicians that are working with us, man, Jay and Tori and everyone that’s there to help make what we do [00:10:00] possible. Uh, but we, I wanted to, when I created Fit View and I had this vision, I wanted to provide a space where trainers can train within their own style. We have the same core, um, values and we have the same mission, but our path to get there might be a little different.

Everyone has their own style and I never wanted to disrupt that. I never wanted to micromanage that. Oh yeah. And, but we do feed off of one another. We have like the prerequisite stuff. I see how you two 

John-Nelson Pope: work well together. Yeah. Oh, do, because that’s his style. Yeah. Yeah. So in terms of, yeah, it’s great. Of therapy approaches.

Yeah. Interesting observation, John. Yeah. And I think that’s a compliment, Jake. Right? I love Yeah, that’s a compliment. Compliment. It’s a compliment. 

Jacob Hoyle: I took it as a compliment. I didn’t think it was a slight ly. That’s great. I mean, but it’s, it’s important to let people be who they are. Mm-hmm. You know, because I’ve worked in other places, you know, prior to Fit View, I was the assistant director of wellness at a well-known, uh, medical institution.

I don’t wanna throw shade on them ’cause I’m grateful for the experience I had there. Absolutely. However, a lot of red tape. Mm-hmm. And it showed me a lot of the things on the quote unquote corporate side that I didn’t [00:11:00] like. Right. It really fueled me wanting to be an entrepreneur, uh, because I was like, Hey, if I have a chance and one day I will have that chance to do it differently, I will.

And we have 

Chris Gazdik: Love that. So. That’s powerful. Alright, so we’re gonna be talking about Men’s health today in a general sense, but we’re also, you know, the genesis of this particular episode was, uh, it 

John-Nelson Pope: must have been a misunderstanding. 

Chris Gazdik: Is that a 

John-Nelson Pope: song? It must have been a misunderstanding. Jake. He 

Chris Gazdik: pop songs out like, yeah, I, I’m digging it, man.

Jacob Hoyle: Like this, this dude just leaks positivity, man. He’s amazing. We need to get you over to the studio. John is the beast. He would kill 

Chris Gazdik: your stair stepper. I think he’d burn it out. I think he’d kill it. I love it. So welcome town. So, so listen, we’re gonna be talking about Men’s Health General, but the genesis of this show really was, uh, when I was, I’m so humbly honored to have been, uh, approached by yourself, jq, who, who has an idea for a men’s conference, uh, coming up.

And so we’re talking about general. Men’s [00:12:00] health, but the, the, the, the day conference that we’re gonna do is, dude, I’m super stoked about this. Yeah, 

Jacob Hoyle: yeah, me too. You know, 

Chris Gazdik: June 21st, uh, we’re gonna do a seminar and the, you know, the, the power behind the event is, is, is really working with a whole group of people, men specifically, that, you know, let’s face it, we, we tend to, to very much neglect a lot of parts of ourselves with all the things that we’re doing, you know, in our daily lives and in our family life and all that kind of thing, so, right.

Give us a, give, we’ll get back to it towards the end, but give us a brief rundown on what your vision is, what the thing is. Yeah. Do we even have a name? So, so 

Jacob Hoyle: right now, you know, we’re just, we’re gonna, my hope and prayer is that we launched this as a men’s all inclusive health seminar mouthful. Uh, but really the genesis of this idea started before covid.

I ran a men’s group out of my studio called Iron Men, where men would come together. You know, we’ve trained a [00:13:00] lot of ladies and these guys’ wives, and they’d say, oh, they’d see the scriptures and stuff. I have it all over my, my walls, you know, like Philippians four 13 or Jeremiah 29 11. And like, we would love, you know, I can’t get my husband to go to church.

I can’t get my husband to do that, but as iron sharpens iron, one man shall sharpen. Another guys are really motivated to go and work out or be with other guys in a fac in a facility. So. We realized, let’s, let’s bring it here. Hmm. And what we started to realize is that, man, these guys are really motivated not just to come work out, but just searching for a sense of brotherhood.

Uh, looking for an opportunity to come around men who are actually going through some of the same stuff they are. And with my line of work, and you and I have talked about this, there’s a lot of parallels. You figure out what motivates men and why they’re wanting to do something. Some people are working out chasing that endorphin because they’re dealing with, man, my, my check’s gonna bounce.

I’ve got, I’m running out money before I do month. Um, I’m running out of opportunities to provide for my family, or I have all this external stress. My marriage is bad, whatever it [00:14:00] is. Um, but you find out that through bringing them together and suffering together through an exercise, that’s a word, you know, it’s like suffering.

They come together, man. You learn how to rebuild. So it sounds, 

John-Nelson Pope: it sounds a little bit like, uh. Uh, when I was in the Navy, the bootcamp experience. Oh boy. Yeah. Which actually kind of binds you together and you have that experience. Yeah. And I’m still in touch with them, uh, 40 years later. Yeah. With, with those folks, 

Jacob Hoyle: man.

Some of the best friendships, longest lasting friendships I’ve had in my whole life were gym partners. Mm-hmm. Just guys that got to know you more than just, you know, your love for exercise, but know you on a, uh, that connection on a intimate level. Mm-hmm. Like, know, you know, what drives you, what is your why, um, things that you went through, obstacles you had to overcome.

You, you learn a lot about somebody when you push ’em physically. Mm-hmm. 

Chris Gazdik: You know, I think that this was your comment, Jake, where, where you were kind of, maybe this is part of the genesis of the, the conference and and whatnot as well, that there’s an urgency [00:15:00] here. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, this is not. Just nothing.

There’s, there’s a lot going on in our lives and in the world today and whatnot, and especially, you know, I carry a lens, but especially I agreed with your comment. Mental health, right? 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: And you know, in this crisis there’s, there’s proactive steps that you could take. There’s things that you can do.

There’s engagement. Empowerment. You can take agency over your life with your cholesterol when you’re fired up or upset with a doctor’s reports or your whatever. A1C is John, right? Right. But in the mental space. It. How do you see the crisis? 

Jacob Hoyle: Uh, I think it’s, it’s bad. And the reason I say that is if you look at the stats and you look at, with you guys being clinicians, you look at how much higher and more prevalent the suicide rate is for men as opposed to our female counterparts.

Yeah, absolutely. It’s a big gap. Absolutely. And the 

Chris Gazdik: military especially, right, John, it’s a big 

John-Nelson Pope: gap in the military, right? [00:16:00] Especially if they’re no longer in the military and they’ve been mustered out or they’ve gotten out and they have a hard time readjusting and they don’t have purpose and that is that, and they can’t be a man.

I think, 

Jacob Hoyle: yeah. And that’s, you know, I’ll use myself, you know, I’m an open book. But, uh, when Covid hit, drastically changed the landscape of what we were doing. 

Chris Gazdik: Oh boy. 

Jacob Hoyle: The first, the first round, 

Chris Gazdik: Jim. Yeah. How would a covid change 

Jacob Hoyle: a gym? Jake? So, you know, you wanna make a man feel like less of a man? Yeah. Take away his ability to provide for his family and man it’s worth of salt.

You know, take away his ability to provide for his family. Take away the thing that he’s passionate about in work. You know? And some many men find passion in what they do. If you love what you do, you, you wanna be there. You take that away from that person. And now, man, I can’t provide, I’m not showing up. I feel like I’m failing my clients.

’cause I can’t do this. I can’t have that one-on-one connection with ’em like we did. So it was a whole new thing, you know? So since high school, yeah, since high [00:17:00] school. You know, it’s a big part of who I am. Ironman formed when we got the green light to reopen. I’m like, I need to bring these men together, right?

Because I’m not just going through this by myself. Like, I know these guys are also dealing with this. And Ironman was such a great thing, you know? And 

Chris Gazdik: love that. Yeah. And you know, I wanna highlight in that, in that moment, you know, and I don’t think it’s really a gender thing, but it’s a dangerous thing in the reality that particularly we experienced in Covid, kind of a key phrase, if you will.

When you’re isolated, you are screwed. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: Okay. Yeah. Bottom line, right? It’s a connection. It’s a horrible place to be. The socialization, the, the connection with other people, it is a basic, fundamental mental health 

John-Nelson Pope: must. And I see a lot of our young, uh, younger males. That are, are grappling with that because all they learned during Covid is just to look at their tablets or their Oh yeah.

Or screen time on their phones and we 

Chris Gazdik: learn how bad. So a [00:18:00] school at home alone is, yeah. 

John-Nelson Pope: You don’t, you should see on 

Chris Gazdik: the YouTube live, if you’re listening to this on the audio only, you need to see Jake’s face when I said that, just saying, I always see it, man. We see it. And 

John-Nelson Pope: so, so I think that is incumbent upon us to, to be able to, to help young, uh, boys grow into men and to be able to Yeah.

Take their role seriously. 

Jacob Hoyle: Well, 

John-Nelson Pope: you know, 

Jacob Hoyle: scientifically, they’ve done 

Chris Gazdik: all this. Be careful Nick, because when he goes this way, John, and he goes like, he loses me. He’s so smart. He’s so intelligent. I’m like, whoa. Hormonal 

Jacob Hoyle: transfer. You know, if you have a high performer mm-hmm. And you sit beside that high performer.

The chances of you wanting to get motivated happens naturally. Oh yeah. It’s a phenomenon. They, they haven’t been able to explain exactly why that is, but it’s just like you get a bunch of like-minded people together. Like, it’s like mirror 

John-Nelson Pope: neurons. 

Chris Gazdik: Ah, you stole my thought to take it, John. Come with it, buddy.

Yeah, no, 

John-Nelson Pope: no. Mirror neurons. It’s the idea that, that you mirror what, what that other person is projecting. [00:19:00] Right? And, and that’s one of the areas in terms of therapy. So you’re talking about the same thing, only not just, let’s say social cues. Yeah. Or, or visual cues, or even nonverbal. You’re talking about physical cues.

Yeah. Being able to, and that you will strive. It’s like working out with somebody and you work harder because that other person’s working hard. Yeah. They push you. They push you. Yeah. I, 

Chris Gazdik: I think it’s you, you, John and I are oftentimes on lock slap. Mm-hmm. I, I don’t know what it is. Lock step. Um, I was thinking the same thing, John.

Mm-hmm. That that’s like a physical reality. Mm-hmm. That in neurology, we’re gonna be learning about. I don’t really know what mirror neurons are or what that is super fascinating. But Jake, that’s a little bit of why, honestly. I think. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah, it’s, it’s nature, man. Mm-hmm. You know, and, and the animal kingdom, you know, uh, you get like-minded things together or there’s that competition.

Sometimes competition’s a good thing. You get young guys that we train. You have one guy come in, maybe he’s coming from a bad circumstance. He comes in the gym, [00:20:00] he’s kind of down on his self. But you get a couple of the other guys in there that are a little older, maybe a little bit wiser, uh, have had experience and they just welcome him, welcome him into the pack and say, Hey, jump in on a set with us.

He lights up and he is a completely different person, and it’s fun to watch that. Turns ’em around. Turns ’em around. Yeah. Yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: Uh, we have a lot to get to, uh, and we’re gonna definitely tell you more about the conference that’s coming up. Jake, when? Uh, June 21st. June 21st, John. 

John-Nelson Pope: That’s June 21st. Oh, June 21st.

Chris Gazdik: Okay. Okay. That’s 

John-Nelson Pope: the first day of, um, summer. 

Chris Gazdik: It’s also the day after the 20th. But anyway, the 20th third. Is it the first 

Jacob Hoyle: day of summer? 

John-Nelson Pope: I think 

Jacob Hoyle: so. Yep. Is it, did you choose that on purpose? It is, uh, I didn’t, honestly, I didn’t it Oh, wow. ’cause I was navigating through Father’s Day because that’s the what, the weekend prior, right?

Oh, is it? Oh, okay. So, oh, I love that. I didn’t know that the, the likelihood of attendance for that weekend wouldn’t be great. Oh, no. So 

Chris Gazdik: let’s push it back a week. Yeah. I’ll be hanging out with my kids with the chicken kebabs on the grill and whatever else you do on Father’s Day. [00:21:00] So listen, let’s, let’s get to some of the things in a general way about, um, first of all, holistic approach.

I mean, that’s a, that’s a word that’s used regularly. 

Jacob Hoyle: Mm-hmm. 

Chris Gazdik: Um, and I know that you have a comprehension to what you do. It is not. I mean, I, I feel like when I’m working with you, your head’s going in a thousand miles a minute. Even when I’m rambling on about nonsense, I can hang. 

Jacob Hoyle: It’s all good. What’s that?

I said I can hang. It’s all good. Yeah, I know you can. 

Chris Gazdik: And so, but this word, what do we mean really in the physical training world about truly being, I know your passion, holistic. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. So there’s a lot of things that are happening now in the wellness industry, which I’m sure you’re probably aware of.

There’s a quick fix, and I don’t mean that as a knock, but a lot of people are looking at, okay, I’m gonna jump on a weight loss drug, or I’m gonna jump on something. Um, that’s, that’s gonna expedite the process. When really, if you take someone who’s generally healthy, they just have. External factors that motivated them to come in and we show ’em, okay, well let’s exercise.

That’s gonna help [00:22:00] your body produce these endorphins. You’re gonna feel better over time and let’s clean up what you’re fueling your body with so holistically. Those are two things that we can just navigate for that person without having to use a medication, without having to jump on a prescription.

All of those things, again, I’m not against them. I think they serve a purpose. I think that there is a proper time to be assessed with that and implement it if necessary, but by taking actual exercise and cleaning up someone’s nutrition, just getting them on a whole food diet, for example. Mm-hmm. We could Which 

John-Nelson Pope: simple change?

Jacob Hoyle: A simple change. Simple changes. 

John-Nelson Pope: So less processed foods. Less processed foods. Right. You know, 

Jacob Hoyle: uh, for example, we got a food line over here. I’m gonna have you fill up your grocery cart with things that are on the perimeter aisles. I do that now. I tried to do that. Things that are, that’s one of the most basic things.

Have voids. 

Chris Gazdik: I do, John. Yes, I do too. Yeah. I, I, I mean, you gotta go in there for you. I go get 

John-Nelson Pope: the tomatoes and I get the bananas. Ketchup. You gotta go in there for oats and [00:23:00] stuff. Well, so yeah, 

Jacob Hoyle: we’ve had this conversation too. You know, just touching on nutrition for a moment. You know, the foods that you eat have a major impact on how you feel and.

Nutrition is a multifaceted rabbit hole. It is extremely easy to get lost in. I’m a sports nutritionist, so there’s, there’s a, a rhyme and a method to that versus regular dietetics and then holistic nutritionist. All these things are completely different. Mm-hmm. A lot of people get confused with that.

Really? Yeah. We all wear different hats. Uh, mine’s rooted in performance and how to fuel for, you know, sports and body composition, et cetera. 

John-Nelson Pope: Okay. 

Jacob Hoyle: So, and 

John-Nelson Pope: you, and you do this age appropriately. Correct. For example, I have a, um, I have a, um, a colleague who’s a little bit younger than I, he, he did, uh, used to do the Iron Man mm-hmm.

And, and that sort of thing. And he went to a vegan diet and. He doesn’t eat. Um, he’s not a carnivore anymore, but Sure. But he’s gained weight and [00:24:00] he still exercises and it’s because he’s in his sixties. Yeah. And so can you help him? 

Jacob Hoyle: Oh, absolutely. And, and the, the root cause of that, he’s probably got some, you know, trace carbohydrates in there, you know, if it’s Oh, he likes 

John-Nelson Pope: the carbs.

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. So if, if he’s doing Ironman, he needs them. Um, but not to get too far off context. The, the thing is, you, you have to understand individually when the person comes in, if I always ask him a simple question, uh, Mrs. Jones, if you were to rate your knowledge on nutrition one to 10, 10 being you have a degree in it, one, you know, nothing at all, you can explain to me what macronutrients are.

Proteins, carbs, fats, their functions in the body. If you score yourself five or below, I’m not gonna go down the rabbit hole of calorie counting, macronutrient, equivalent. I, ’cause what’ll happen is I’ll leave. Yeah, you’re gonna walk out more, more pissed off and frustrated than when you walked in. Right.

Young Jake, in my early practice, I, I learned that valuable lesson. I’m like, man, I’m losing people. They feel like this. It’s over too much. It’s overwhelming. It really is. And you throw that on [00:25:00] a busy parent who is our niche client, I can’t handle it. They’re gonna walk out like, I can’t 

Chris Gazdik: do 

Jacob Hoyle: this. It’s 

Chris Gazdik: too 

Jacob Hoyle: much.

So you have to, you have to read the room. You have to understand where they’re at. What is their life? That’s why that that consultation is so long. ’cause we wanna know you. We wanna become, build that rapport with you. Like what motivates you? Where do you actually have time? What are your stressors? Let’s build that plan around that.

And that’s what we’ve been really successful doing. 

Chris Gazdik: Love that. Yeah. Love that. What are some common challenges? Let’s switch off to a little segment on common challenges that men have. And, you know, I, I, I think I said this earlier, I think the mic’s wrong. I, I tend to avoid in my work, eat least in therapy, generalizing things to a specific gender.

I really feel like, you know, human beings are really similar and we struggle with all of the same things. Sure. I agree with that. Many of the things that, that we’re talking about today with, with men, it affects women as well. Uh, but there are some specifics about men. So I, and you touched on it just a little bit ago.

Yeah. But, but let’s nail down a little bit on John. I’m curious about you [00:26:00] first in, in, in therapy, and then we’ll kick over to you, Jake, see how you feel. Like, do you, do you follow that? Do you see the specific challenges of men? What would you say they are? And then, 

John-Nelson Pope: oh, I, I think, um. Purpose. But you can put that in women too.

But, um, there’s a sense of, uh, how to be a responsible spouse, partner, uh, parent that that goes on. But challenges in terms of, of, uh, I, I, I sense a culture that has devalued, um, um, manliness. And I, and I’m unabashed about saying that, you know, I’m a very, I’m a key sheeter, but I’m really think that we’ve lost that idea of, of men ity, masculinity.

Masculinity, and, and it’s, it’s, and, uh, kids in school, and I hear this with my younger uh, clients, is that they don’t feel appreciated or valued. [00:27:00] Mm-hmm. And they’re not getting it necessarily from home. They’re often in, in, uh, homes where there’s just a single parent and that they need mentors. And, and it used to be Boy Scouts and, uh, boys club, which I belong to both of them.

Yeah. And, and, and baseball. I played, uh, yeah, 

Chris Gazdik: I know Jake’s gonna mostly agree with you, Jake, uh, follow up with him and Yeah. You gotta use the word savage. He, you have to here. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. Yeah. He hit a lot of, uh, he hit the nail in the head for a lot, respect what he just said. ’cause I do agree with all of that.

Uh, but also you have to look at, you know, there’s this whole phrase, toxic masculinity. That’s a phrase that’s been going around for a while or for a better part of five years now. Again, devaluing males. Devaluing males, you know, so, for example, I have two male children. I’ve raised, helped two raise three nieces, but I have two male children of my own.

I don’t want them growing up in a world that’s, Hey, men suck, men are awful, men are this, men are that. Mm-hmm. Depending on media. [00:28:00] And again, this, I’m not trying to be biased here, but depending on what you’re getting your news from or what you’re listening to, you hear a lot of that. You have been hearing a lot of that.

So you have these two young men that you’re wanting to raise and bring up in the world the right way. And they’re like, well, they’re saying men suck. Men are terrible. Men are this men or that, no, it’s not true. You know? And having those resources available for men to come together and. Become a part of something, say, Hey, no, we’re, we’re setting a standard.

Men are good. We can be good, we can be great. Here’s 

John-Nelson Pope: how you do it. Loving, being strong. Yeah, exactly. I is a question. And that is a medication of, of, of, of boys, um, overly medicating them. There is a DHD, it’s a real thing. There’s a genetic component to it. There’s also some, perhaps environmental aspects to it, but boys are wired differently.

They’re physio, uh, physiologically different. And what is considered now, uh, apparent is, is actually [00:29:00] just normal and what is part of what it means to be a male. Right? Yeah. So, and I, I think. We need. And that’s why it’s important to have sports. Yeah. And I think that’s why it’s important to, to have training.

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. Well, even like the school system right there, it is designed for them to be sitting still for so long. Little boys need to be out active, active and physical, taking 

Chris Gazdik: physical education out. Come on. Right. It’s, 

John-Nelson Pope: it’s amazing. I had physical, I had phys ed every year. I was in high school. That 

Chris Gazdik: was my favorite class.

High school. High. Even in 

John-Nelson Pope: college. Huh? High school. High school. I hadn’t, I had to dress out. 

Chris Gazdik: Really? Yeah. 

John-Nelson Pope: Yeah. I guess I did too. We played soccer and we played, uh, baseball, softball, um, just, uh, bombardment and not dodge ball. I’d have these big old 

Jacob Hoyle: round two. Absolutely. Not even to make it political, but if you go back and look at, uh, John f Kennedy’s.

Presidency. There’s a documentary called the La Sierra High School [00:30:00] Project, and that is a very cool thing. I never heard of that. So what he did is he, he really set it, so we were at the Cuban Missile Crisis on this stuff. Mm-hmm. Okay. If push come to shove, the whole point of that was we needed to build up strong men to be able to go to battle.

Right. Oh wow. Okay. So the, the physical ed for that training in the high schools was like paramilitary training. Really? You go watch the video on 

John-Nelson Pope: YouTube. It’s like when I was in college and I’m a, I’m older than anybody in here and we had the air force training, uh, fitness training. Yeah. And, uh, when I was in, uh, college and we were required to take it, and so we had to be fit.

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah, 

John-Nelson Pope: it’s 

Jacob Hoyle: a La Sierra High School project. Yeah, that 

John-Nelson Pope: sounds interesting. Is that still the president’s council on physical, on exercise? Exercise? If you think about it, I’m sure you won’t, 

Chris Gazdik: don’t worry about it. But if you get a link to that, I, I’d love to see a link to that. Yeah, I’ll forward it to you. I’ll put it on the show.

Yeah, no, it’s a, that’d be kind of cool. But you look at 

Jacob Hoyle: that, like, if you didn’t know what that was, you just watch the clip [00:31:00] of it, like, oh, this is military training. That was a high school dude. That 

Chris Gazdik: was a high school. 

Jacob Hoyle: It’s, it’s amazing. Yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: Yeah. I’m gonna blow your, I’m gonna blow your brain away and ask you like, four questions at once.

Jake, see how you do with this. Because I’m thinking I’m cur, I’m curious about barriers. I’m thinking about, you know, like the, the, the challenge that people have to committing to something like, yeah. You know, nutritional counseling or, you know, the health in the gym or this type of thing. Like, so I’m curious about, you know, what you see as primary struggles with people, generally speaking.

I’m curious about the length of stay, like how long people stick around or if you get like a small in and outs from people, um, how you go about making decisions with individual considerations as to that point. You know, and, and how they’re operating and what your procedures are. I, I’m curious. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah, so kind of, uh, on that first question, I believe you asked, uh, what are the barriers?

Um, and this isn’t gender specific, but this is like the general client. It’s time and time management. Um, because as moms and dads primarily who we see our niche client, they’re looking at, you know, the, it’s the mom guilt or the [00:32:00] dad guilt. How can I do something for myself when I have all these other things going on?

How can I commit that time? And really my good, my job as a good coach is to shift the paradigm a little bit time and say, you know, time being the, I would say is the biggest one that’s interesting. Um, but it’s like, you know, we see this within the church. Mm-hmm. We see this with mom and dads a lot. How much is self-sacrificing detrimental?

You know, it’s okay to put yourself first in certain things. I’ve mentioned this in our session before. I used to be that guy. I was so concern not moving the business forward, doing this, make sure the family’s taken care of it all aspects. But now I’m gaining weight. I don’t like a trainer anymore. I’m tired, I’m fatigued, I’m irritable.

So when they get me at the end of the day, they get the worst version of me. Right. However, if I make a non-negotiable and I create, I call it a meeting with a boss, that’s my workout time. 

Chris Gazdik: Okay. 

Jacob Hoyle: I can’t miss it. It’s a non-negotiable. But now they get the energetic in shape, strong, healthy version of dad that they deserve.

Love that. So it’s, it’s about making yourself a priority, but you’re trying to [00:33:00] unwind a belief system that, no, I’m supposed to put others before self, so much. Mm-hmm. Right. It’s a conflict, but, but trying to get, convince people to believe that it, that’s a little bit of a challenge, but once we get ’em there, it’s great.

John-Nelson Pope: Okay, so what I’m hearing is that they’re part of this and, and someone to enter into this journey, is that they, that they learn how to balance their lives, even if there’s these pressures on them. Correct. And, and do that. Okay. Correct. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. Tom Management and, and giving them, giving them the okay to treat themselves with kindness.

Like, you deserve this, you need to do this. You, you have to, if you wanna show up. Can I 

Chris Gazdik: change the word? Okay. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. I wanna change the word to emotional permission. Give yourself permission, right? Yeah, yeah. Give yourself permission, because if you do that, you’re gonna show up and you’re gonna be so much better in those other areas.

So 

John-Nelson Pope: you’re giving them grace, you’re giving yourself grace. Grace is another good word. Yeah, yeah. Good way. 

Chris Gazdik: Yeah. You know, ’cause there’s so much pressure [00:34:00] that we have and, and I know, I mean, I’m in touch with that a lot too, because I work a lot. I mean, in order to podcast, podcasts, write books, I, I didn’t mention my book, John.

I got books out. Right. That’s 

John-Nelson Pope: right. He’s got two books out right now and through it, uh, a therapist eyes in, what is it about Marriage? 

Chris Gazdik: He wants me to say it seven times in the show, John, the plug Meister. I love it, man. Yeah, yeah. But, but, but it’s such a powerful like, commitment that you have towards providing for your family, doing all of these things.

The pressure is intense and, and unless you give yourself that grace, that emotional permission to engage, you look a standard mental health reality is God at the top of the list as your priority. John, you kind of taught me that if it’s not God, it’s a power greater than yourself or a concern or cause greater than yourself, fine.

God’s first, then you’re. Top of the list, baby. Yeah. Not bottom of the list. You’re top there. Yeah. God, self, spouse, then your children, then your family, then your friends, and then your work. You’re a long time listener to show you. Dang. Sure. Heard that before. But we don’t [00:35:00] honor that, Jake. 

Jacob Hoyle: Right. Well, you know, again, not being gender specific here, but hey, I’m running out of money before I do month.

Hey, uh, Jimmy needs new shoes by this time next week. Hey, I have to sign up, sir. Today I gotta run ’em here. All these things are happening. So back to the pressure. So many guys that I work with and ladies too, but it’s that pressure that’s unwavering, nonstop. I have to do all these things and they convince themself I have all this going on.

I can’t make time for me. 

Chris Gazdik: Right. 

Jacob Hoyle: So we’re like, Hey, you can, let’s show you how. Even if it’s 20 minutes a day. Mm-hmm. 

Chris Gazdik: Perfect transition. What are some of the strategies? What are some of the things you just mentioned? Just a 20 minute Yeah. Commitment that, that’s all 20 minutes. Yeah. 

Jacob Hoyle: Change what it looks like.

Chris Gazdik: What are some of the things that you have found successful that helps people get over that pump? Helps make some sustain, sustainability, helps them to come back and not just do three sessions. And by the way, I’m curious how long people typically 

Jacob Hoyle: say. Yeah. So one of the, the best strategies that I’ve ever done is I use a [00:36:00] quote that I used out of Tom Ziegler’s book, choose to Win.

Mm-hmm. It’s a great book if you haven’t read it. It’s an amazing book. Uh, but it’s all about lifestyle habits and coaching. And I asked the guy, when I hear all these things, the, the, the why, I can’t, I can’t, I can’t, can’t never could at the end of the day. Right? Right. So, I’ll say to them, and this is a bizarre question to ask, but when you think of natural disasters, what do you think creates the most damage?

Most people are gonna say hurricane, tornadoes, things like that. Wildfires, yeah. What if I told you it’s termites? Hmm. Really these little tiny, microscopic, almost creatures take little bites every single day and they create billions of dollars of damage fiscally. So they’re, they’re very productive. Wow.

So I tell ’em to be a termite, it sounds silly, right? And take a little 

John-Nelson Pope: bite every day. And the outside might look perfectly good, but the inside’s rotten to the core. Right? 

Jacob Hoyle: Right. But take, take little bites every day. But if you do that over time, you’ve created a big impact 

Chris Gazdik: because by the time you’re 50, you’ll find out how you took little bites or [00:37:00] didn’t take little bites outta your health for the benefit 

Jacob Hoyle: at 30 bingo.

Yeah. Bingo. So taking those little bites daily, and it doesn’t have to be anything drastic, right? It doesn’t have to be anything like, Hey, you got, you gotta commit to lifting weights four days a week, and you gotta change everything in your diet. No. Yeah. Let’s, okay, let’s start with setting. How do, how do you change a bad habit?

You place with a good habit. Let’s, okay, you’re, you’re sleeping in or you’re staying up till midnight every night. Can we push it to where you’re getting in bed 30 minutes earlier, or, Hey, you don’t like to exercise, that’s okay. I’m here to coach you. Can we start doing a 10 minute walk every day after dinner so your blood sugar isn’t through the roof when you go to bed?

Right. Small things, little things, steps. 

John-Nelson Pope: Right? Yeah. I was just thinking, I have some clients and, and, uh, exercise of any sorts and anathema, and I said, you’re gonna feel better if you exercise. Endorphins. Endorphins, right? Yeah. Right. 

Chris Gazdik: Yeah. I I’ve, I’ve long held like, look, the trifecta, I, I’ve told you, Jake, we need to get, um, myself, Illa, and [00:38:00] you, Cilla is our registered dietician at Metro here together to, to change the world.

’cause that’s the trifecta right there. Nature exercise is 

Jacob Hoyle: nature’s value. I mean mm-hmm. Really think about it. You feel it, like you’ve heard runners say, I got a runner’s eye. All right. I don’t understand that, but yeah. Mm-hmm. Work. He’s a work in progress, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. He’s a work in progress.

John-Nelson Pope: I had, I had an outof body experience once when I ran. Did you? Yeah. You, you achieved this runner’s high thing? It was about 10, 10 miles. I did 10 miles once. Uh, that was, that’s awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And what was this out of body deal? Well, I just. Just went, I, it was such a good feeling. It was like, I, I just felt like I was absolutely on top of the world and I just had so much more energy.

That’s awesome. So yeah. Yeah. This kind transcended 

Jacob Hoyle: that endorphin dump, man. It’s great. 

Chris Gazdik: But back to the, back to the, the points I, I think of, of really helping to facilitate sustainability, like that feels like a big thing. I just wanna nail down on that a little [00:39:00] more because, you know, I, all that pressure and, and people feel like, oh my God, going to a gym, like, I’m not a gym guy.

Right. I don’t wanna do it. That, that sounds like a big major life change. Oh yeah. Talk to nutritionists. They’re gonna make me count calories and all this kind of stuff and tell me I can’t have this and I can’t have that. Yeah. And you have to do this, and you have to do that. It’s like, 

Jacob Hoyle: dude, it’s, oh God.

You know. Yeah. I, I can only speak to our approach. What we’ve been successful, uh, at doing is getting to know the individual. It’s a big reason why I say we’re a studio, not a gym. Right. To take away that stigma. Um, so we like to really dial in what the individual. And show them like, okay, let’s figure out what’s gonna work for you.

’cause it is my belief that everybody, literally, everybody is different. And so we do stress. If there’s one thing across the board that’s similar is getting them to a 90 day marker. I. Okay, here’s why. Love that. 21 to 28 days to create a good habit. This is science guys. 60 days to see tangible results. 90 days to commit to the lifestyle.

Chris Gazdik: You know why I know [00:40:00] that? Um, we have 90, you did it That also No, because we have, uh, 90 and 90 is a phrase in Alcoholics Anonymous where they want you to go. The first 90 days, we know is a major, major area of concern because a lot of relapse is happening and it’s all in the same domain. That’s why I said this is science, right?

Jacob Hoyle: Same thing. Same thing. You know, uh, most people are going to possibly default on their diet after 21 days. Mm-hmm. So our goal is to get ’em to that three week, 

John-Nelson Pope: four week mark, 

Jacob Hoyle: you know? And if we could do that, we, and I think, I 

John-Nelson Pope: think that’s the other thing, isn’t it? Is that, uh, is if you are doing, let’s say the, the, the diet that’s, there’s die.

Diet. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah, it’s a negative connotation. There’s die 

John-Nelson Pope: in diet. I like people. 

Jacob Hoyle: Well, I use the fighter jet or crop duster analogy. Mm-hmm. You know, do you wanna be a fighter jet? We gotta put fuel in this tank. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. We don’t want you to float like a, like a crop duster. We wanna be a fighter jet, be a fighter jet for your family, for your coworkers, for your spouse.

All of these things like show up and perform. 

Chris Gazdik: Now, [00:41:00] there’s two things you haven’t responded to yet. I’ve asked you a couple times on the one, the first thing is I told you you have to use the word savage when you responded to John earlier. And secondly, I’m still wondering how, how long people tend to stick with you.

Jacob Hoyle: Uh, we usually see people with, uh, I mean, I’ve got clients with me for, it’s been with me forever. A decade, man. Yeah. Wow. Because there’s is that average though? I mean that’s is what Yeah. The average client’s gonna stick around six months to a year. Six months to a year. Okay. Well this is what we tell ’em.

When you start to learn people in that consultation process, Mrs. Jones is an avatar, by the way. This is who I train my staff with. We have a little avatar that we train staff with and we go through these scenarios. We do a lot of role play. Oh, okay. ’cause we want them to be equipped on how to answer and or pull one of the other team members in that’s more equipped to handle it.

But Mrs. Will ask Mrs. Jones like, how long have you been unhappy? We ask a lot of comparison questions like reflective questions. How long have you been unhappy with the way you feel? Oh, five years or after? After my divorce or after my son left the house. After I put on all this weight. Yeah. So you learned [00:42:00] 5, 10, 15 years of this damage that’s done.

Yeah. So, and it’s not, it’s not a selling point, but it is a fact. We can, it’s awareness. Tell you within six months to a year, if you can make that commitment, we can get you on that path. But it’s gonna take six months to a year with small steps. Yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: Because that’s plenty of time to take a lot of small steps.

Right. It takes you a 

John-Nelson Pope: long time to get where you were. Correct. It’s gonna take you a while to get where you would like to be. Yeah. Yeah. You’re But six. 

Chris Gazdik: I think the point, John, I’m trying to make though, or needle in on is six months is not a long time. No, it’s not. A year is not a long time. It’s not, but it’s a huge deal that makes a major change.

Well, if you see 

John-Nelson Pope: it all at once, it’s. It, it’s gonna be overwhelming. Yeah. And so yeah. If, but if you take it as they say n aa one day at a time, that’s what they say. One step at a time. Right, right. So, so that’s part of what I’m, what I’m hearing is, is that, uh, there’s a stereotype of, of trainers mm-hmm. Um, that are, they’re, [00:43:00] they’re brutal.

They’re like, uh, yeah. Drill sergeants. Militant. Militant. 

Jacob Hoyle: Our job is to crush that the moment they walk in the door, because Love that. We get a lot of that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Until they sit down and they talk to us. But here’s the other thing we deal with. We deal with a society that is dealing with instant gratification.

Mm-hmm. There is a thing, instant, instant pot, Instagram, instant, every instant results, ma’am. Or sir, you didn’t, this didn’t happen in 30 days. It’s gonna take longer. So I wanna drive that reality from the get go. Like, and I, I don’t BS em, I am very upfront and I’m like, listen, plus there’s the medical history side of that mm-hmm.

That we have to approach ethically and with proper, pro proper protocol and make sure that we’re putting certain systems in place. ’cause there, there is a, uh, standard of protocols we have to follow. If someone has like cardiovascular disease or cancer or things like that, there’s a certain method to that.

So in your intake, 

John-Nelson Pope: you, you include that. Correct. In terms, okay. Yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: Are you a mental health therapist when you’re working with people in your gym? 

Jacob Hoyle: So we just had this conversation, the parallel, right? We did. [00:44:00] Uh, I’ll have clients come in that, and, and man, I’m honored. I really am, I’m honored that, uh, and I feel blessed to be able to, if they come in and say, Jake, I need a, I need a doctor Phil Day.

And that’s a funny thing we say, but it’s like, Hey, oh yeah. One of those external factors is God away from them. And that’s what’s motivating them that day. And they just need somebody, they need an outlet. And I keep it a hundred percent confidential. Um. But that’s the thing that it, if that’s what’s gonna help them and make them feel better that day, I’ve done my job.

Chris Gazdik: Is that an ethical or a board driven commitment or just a Jake thing? The confidentiality. It’s a 

Jacob Hoyle: Jake thing, man. 

Chris Gazdik: Yeah. 

Jacob Hoyle: Well, well, well, no, I apologize. No, that is a coaches, it follows under hipaa. You know, some of the things I’m credentialed with’s. It’s a HIPAA thing. 

Chris Gazdik: Gotcha. And that’s your credentials.

Yeah. Your training. Correct. There’s some formality too, ’cause of course, with therapy, yeah. We’re loaded with that. It’s, it’s a 

Jacob Hoyle: little bit of both. There’s the legality part of it, there’s the ethics part of it, and then there’s the, me just being a decent, there’s human. Yeah. Right. You know, the 

John-Nelson Pope: pastoral side of that is the confidentiality.

So important. Yeah. Well you’re [00:45:00] loaded up that too. I’m speaking very. Softly Now, um, I, we on, we got on him 

Chris Gazdik: Jake, ’cause he, he, he disappears with the mic and he sometimes he soft. You gotta soft shows. You be the savage. I finally use it. Alright, Kelly? What the savage, what is the 

Jacob Hoyle: savage? The savage follow up man.

My spirit animal. What is it man? He exuberates confidence. Mm-hmm. You know that that’s savage to me. Yeah. You know, positivity. Yeah, that’s my sit down. Have a cold beer with, you know? Absolutely. 

Chris Gazdik: So yeah, there’s a, there’s a lot that goes into the mental health realm and like I said, the nutrition, the mental health and the physical, uh, working out is, is something interesting.

I, I don’t mean this as a criticism at all, and it might be just missing it. ’cause usually that’s, you know, that’s my kind of my outlet, my time, my personal time, brief stuff to work out, to do things. Yeah. But what I don’t pick up on as much, probably just ’cause of my personality and whatever is, uh, just mindfulness techniques, mindfulness practice, soothing, you know, you go to a gym, you [00:46:00] got rock music, you got amp up, you got all of this in, in that wholeness, in that wellness, I feel like the, the mental health concepts, how I wanna say that can be, should be or maybe are, or how do we work that into better.

The ideas of mindfulness. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. I, no, I, I pick up what you’re putting down there. Um, and there’s the whole noise aspect, right? Right. Like how do you get into that zone where you can get rid of that? That’s why I believe it’s important, and I follow this to a t to have a network of referrals. Mm-hmm. Because we have certain aspects of wellness, yoga, tai chi, those types of things that may be better suited for somebody.

Okay. And you recognize that? Yeah. We recognize that and, and we give it or we say, Hey, it wouldn’t hurt for you to do this in addition to. Right. Okay. So what 

Chris Gazdik: I hear you saying is the mental health, soothing, calm, you know, deep breathing kind of thing. You talked to me about breathing when I’m trying to lift weights.

I still don’t understand that, but I’m working on it. [00:47:00] ’cause we’ve already established and we’re work in progress, but, so I’m hearing that there’s different strokes for different folks or different modalities like yoga, you’re not gonna get rock music in a yoga class. Right. Or yoga session or whatever.

Typically not. 

Jacob Hoyle: I’m sure there’s. Places that have, have their own unique niche. But yeah, I mean, you’re, uh, you’re typically not gonna have that in a setting like, like yoga or meditation or, you know, 

John-Nelson Pope: so you’re not, you’re not gonna do like a Viking metal vi metal in a metal. Right. But question for you and I, I, I, this is, uh, some places they, there’s just so loud.

Yeah. And all that. What is your atmosphere like? 

Jacob Hoyle: Well, I, like I mentioned earlier, we’re not really a gym. We’re more of a studio. Mm-hmm. And for example, we’ll have people that have left places like that. For those reasons, they didn’t feel comfortable. They didn’t like the music, which my, by the way, my, my [00:48:00] staff’s gonna hear this.

My playlist isn’t stellar. Like I, it’s, it’s a Bluetooth connect. If you got good music, as long as it’s not like super profane and like, you know, terrible, uh, I mean, I’ll let clients hook their music up if they want. Oh, we gonna do Eric Clapton from on? Yeah, we can, man, we put a little, all right. Mental, mental note noted.

Junk Clapton. Um, but you find that people cream, they don’t go to a gym. Well, lemme throw this little statistic out to you. Uh, love my brothers and sisters in the fitness industry. So this is no knocking at major gyms, but Planet Fitness, for example, mm-hmm. On average, will sign up 75% and more than what their fire code will allow every January 1st through fifth.

Right. 

Chris Gazdik: Oh, okay. 

Jacob Hoyle: Because they know by March those folks aren’t coming back. You are a number. Right. That’s why I ask how people stick. Stick with it. Typically, you know, this is personal con Well, the other thing is the personal connection. 

Chris Gazdik: Right? That’s That’s the game changer. Yeah. 

Jacob Hoyle: It’s the personal connection.

The report that we build. If Mrs. Jones hasn’t been to our place in three days, I’m calling her, Hey, hadn’t seen in a few days. You okay? Everything good. You do that at Planet Fitness. They’re [00:49:00] drafting $10 outta your account. You’re just paying the overhead. Yeah, yeah. Again, no knock at them. I believe that people that have a good self-efficacy, we love our 24 hour gyms.

We want them to go and visit those places, be a part of it. When they’re not with us, many clients will just come see us a couple days a week and they go to those other places. We want ’em to do that. We want ’em to commit to the lifestyle. Yeah. Okay. 

John-Nelson Pope: Yeah. Question, and this is too, is that you work with people.

Let’s say you’re, you’re kind of, your bones start to grind together. You know, I’ve got some mileage I did. Yeah. And I, I did construction, uh, hard construction for about four years when I was in college. And you know, things kind of grind together a little bit even if you do take care of yourself. Yeah. And, uh, oh, it’s natural, right?

Yeah. It’s are natural. So do you work with, let’s say, folks that might have problems with their hips? Oh yeah. Absolutely. At 70 years old? 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. We’ve got clients that are 80 plus. Wow. We’ve got a guy that comes in’s 96. 96. 96. Oh wow. Really? He’s using TRX, doing squats still. It’s [00:50:00] amazing. Make sure he is Never run me.

I don’t wanna feel bad. That’s awesome. But yeah. Well, kind of my background, I worked in physical therapy prior, uh, so when I was working at Carmont Health, and I dropped the name there. Um, but I, I worked a lot in the, uh, inpatient rehab. I worked a lot at the summit where our gym was. Mm-hmm. Um, all the ortho docs, I was the guy they saw when they finished up therapy.

Yeah. I was doing corrective movements for total hip, total knee replacement. Mm. So I wanna make it clear, I’m not a physical therapist. I have a background as a PTA, um, but I incorporate a lot of that into what we do. I’m also FMS certified Functional Movement Screen Certified. So the whole baseline of what we want to do before we start adding on the big biceps and the aesthetic appeal is we wanna get people 

John-Nelson Pope: moving better.

So, so in other words, let’s say somebody my age, um, I’d like to get more upper body strength and you could do that. Yeah. And I could get a little more defined that way. Absolutely. Yeah. Um. 

Jacob Hoyle: Uh, exercise level appropriate. Mm-hmm. We’re gonna throw some corrective movement at movements at you if you need it.

[00:51:00] Mm-hmm. Some corrective exercise. That’s kind of the, the protocol that we call. Mm-hmm. All of that. Mm-hmm. Um, but there’s a different, um, there’s a different level for every person. Mm-hmm. You know what, it just 

Chris Gazdik: occurred to me it is a brand new thought. This happens to me in the show all the time. This is a brand new thought.

Never had it. Is it so to say? We already established at 50, you find out how you took care of yourself at 30. So, alright. But there’s still hope because if you didn’t like me, you find out at 70 how I’m doing now. I’m 52. But is it also true to say you find out at 90 how you took care of yourself at 70 for many people?

Can we say that? 

John-Nelson Pope: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I would say so. So it’s never too late to get Yeah, it’s never too late. 

Chris Gazdik: Yeah, 

John-Nelson Pope: it’s never too late. 

Chris Gazdik: Yeah. Wow. Okay. Let’s talk about the seminar for a little bit. We have, uh, this cool thing that we’re gonna be doing on June the 21st. Yeah. And we’ve, we’ve, we were talking that this is not simple.

This is crucial. This is a really important time. Now, where’s this 

John-Nelson Pope: gonna happen? 

Chris Gazdik: What’s that? 

John-Nelson Pope: Where’s it gonna 

Chris Gazdik: happen? Well, well, we’ll get, [00:52:00] okay, well, whatever, Jake, sorry, but I’m, but I’m thinking like, why, why do we wanna really do this again? 

Jacob Hoyle: You know, just this started as a passion project, going back to that, but it, it’s such a big need.

It’s such a big need. You look at men’s health statistics, the cardiovascular disease that’s happening, men that are dying in younger ages of heart attacks and strokes, the obesity epidemic. Mm-hmm. So, just speaking, and we’re 

Chris Gazdik: speaking specifically probably about the US we’re, we’re of course an international, so we don’t know 

Jacob Hoyle: in the United States.

In the United States, then you. Figure out. Okay, why is that happening? Well, you know, my stress is at all time high or you know, I’m working these crazy hours. The economic situation, I mean, I’m working two jobs. I don’t have time to take care of myself ’cause I’m busy trying to take care of everything else.

Time, time management, stress, all that stuff. But we’re putting the Avengers together of professionals in our network that have resources and tools to help these guys navigate that. [00:53:00] 

Chris Gazdik: What do you mean by Avengers? Just so everyone knows? Well, you 

Jacob Hoyle: know, every, you know, we all have a, uh, we’re all part of that team, you know.

He’s Thor. Yeah, I’m Thor. He’s definitely Thor. I’m a Thor and, uh, I’m Thor after Ragnar Rock, I gotta lose some weight, you know? Oh no, 

Chris Gazdik: dude, that almost made me sad. I saw Thor after Ragnar Rock and what you’re referring to is the god of thunder. Like became fat and drinking alcohol and depressed and upset.

It was really wild. Well, if 

Jacob Hoyle: you read the mythology, it was accurate. ’cause Thor swallowed the ocean and that’s what happened to him. Oh, really? Yeah, I didn’t, so I’m a nerd with that stuff, man. But yeah. That’s awesome. Yeah. Thor swallowed ocean. I just, I 

Chris Gazdik: just loved the, the little sort of mini metaphor there with the Avengers team.

Yeah. In that or the A team. Yeah, because I love that from the eighties, but be, but because this, I feel like this seminar is an opening to a whole. [00:54:00] Experience that. I don’t wanna be too dramatic, but that can be just life changing because transformative, you’ve got the major components of life all wrapped up together in one day, one period of time.

And you get it all. Get it all right. 

Jacob Hoyle: You get it all and, and the beautiful thing is, it’s gonna be something that these guys remember and they take away from it. So we’ve all been to things. You’ll go and you learn like a luncheon. This isn’t gonna be like that. This is gonna be, we’re giving these guys real life.

Experience. We’re giving them tools and, and it’s people that we know and hopefully it’s a lot that we don’t, that we give, get that chance to make a lasting impression on ’em. And they’re gonna leave that room that night. Which by the way, it’s Ray Nathan’s barbecue. If you’re not from around this area, it’s in Belmont.

It’s beast. Amazing. Okay. So it’s the, the, where is Ray Nathan’s? Ray Nathan’s barbecue. Okay. In Belmont, North Carolina. Amazing food. What time? Amazing people. Uh, five. From 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM 

Chris Gazdik: And how do we register and whatever. ’cause they just show up at Ray Nathan’s ’cause uh, no, no. Uh, 

Jacob Hoyle: we’re actually, uh, and [00:55:00] I’ll share this link with you guys, uh, but we’re gonna have a registration link that’s gonna go live next week.

Oh, next week, Monday. And, uh, we’re gonna run it all the way up until the day of. So, um, 

John-Nelson Pope: now this, this is at. People that would be in the business or industry? Or is this or associated industry, or are they would be clients or patrons who’s chatting? Yeah, 

Jacob Hoyle: so who’s talking? We actually, uh, work with the owners.

Uh, they’ve been clients of ours for a long time and, uh, they, they host events and venues a lot. Um, men love barbecue thought, man, this is a no-brainer. Mm-hmm. Uh, and they’re a local business. I wanna point that out. I wanna support them. Um, they have, have an amazing menu and it’s their whole area where they do these events is just rooted for fellowship.

John-Nelson Pope: I’m feeling the chicken. 

Jacob Hoyle: Right. Chicken. They have amazing food there. They really do. Uh, they’re brisket, man. And I, I’ve been a North Carolina boy my whole life. Burn 

John-Nelson Pope: ends. Do you have burn ends? Yeah, they, they have it all My 

Chris Gazdik: kid used to work there. Did you know that? I did not know that. Yeah. He used to work there.

And, uh, every now and [00:56:00] again, he’d bring home some of that, uh. Uh, what was the side that I love? The jalapeno cheddar grits. Cheddar grits. Yeah. Man. Oh man. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. That’s amazing. So who’s talking is what I thought you were getting at, John. What, what, what are we gonna hear? Yeah, who’s talking?

John-Nelson Pope: Oh, okay. I, I’m stuck on food here. Yeah, I know. Um, but you got me. I’ve, yeah. Sold. I’m th Thor too. 

Jacob Hoyle: Uh, so, uh, pastor Dickey, I’m the Hulk. Yeah, yeah, man. Um, so Pastor Dickey Spargo, he who is my pastor at City Church in Gastonia, he’s gonna be our, uh, lead pastor there leading, kicking that off with prayer and fellowship and, uh, just talking about the spiritual element, you know, and, uh, people are out looking for purpose.

And what I’ve found too in these one-on-one conversations, whether it be with clients or people coming in for a consultation, is that purpose is actually avoid, they don’t, they’re looking for God and their relationship with God. Yeah. So we’re gonna have an aspect of that there. Um, and then of course myself and, uh, Dr.

Scott Gilan at Immortal Athletics, he is a [00:57:00] board certified physical therapist. Uh, he and Dr. Griff Griffin Love, uh, two great guys. They’re upcoming business in Cramerton. Uh, we’re gonna tag team the wellness component of that. So go. So are they both 

John-Nelson Pope: physical 

Jacob Hoyle: therapists? They are, yeah, they’re doctors of physical therapy.

Okay. Uh, so that’s another question is, Hey man, I’ve neglected this for, you know, the last decade. I’m 40 now, how do I just, I don’t just jump back into the game, right? No, it’s dangerous, right? There’s an appropriate way to do that and they’re gonna share some insight on how to do that appropriately. And then I’m gonna talk a little bit about nutrition fueling the body with those natural foods.

So we’re gonna, we’re gonna tackle the wellness component, and of course, Dr. Chris, you’re gonna be helping us with the mental health aspect. Mm-hmm. I had 

Chris Gazdik: Dr. John and, uh, do you get that all the time too? Do people call you a doctor? 

John-Nelson Pope: Uh, yeah, except you, you don’t respect all the credentials. Man, 

Chris Gazdik: I wish it was PhD.

I tell 

John-Nelson Pope: they call me Dr. John. Oh, you 

Chris Gazdik: know what? I didn’t even, I didn’t even ask that. Knowing that you have a doctor degree. I was, I, I, I missed that. They call me doctor. 

John-Nelson Pope: Yeah. You are a doctor. Yeah. They call, I’m not, let’s be clear. [00:58:00] They call me Doctor P or a Doctor John, or Doc or I actually gave up. Or Savage or John.

Yeah. Savage Doc. Savage Doc. Savage. I like that. Right. But seriously, 

Chris Gazdik: I’m gonna be addressing some of the mental health component. Yeah. Some of the, the, the, the fundamental realities of just the psychology and stuff. Right. Right. 

Jacob Hoyle: And then, uh, we’re gonna have a, uh, financial expert, uh Oh, great. Yeah. Yeah, because that’s a big one.

So I had teamed up with the guys at Cam Carolina Asset Management, my friend Jackson Gilbert. Uh, one of my great friends, but he’s a managing partner there, and he’s gonna bring in some resources to help guys with the financial aspect. A 

John-Nelson Pope: quick question, and, and this is something addiction plays a process, addictions, uh, and I’m using old terms, but, but let’s say gambling.

Um, even like sexual Yeah. Pornography. Pornography, things like that. Yeah. Although, so you, Dr. Chris, you probably can, you gotta stop that, John. You gotta, yeah. As long as, you know, you don’t put it [00:59:00] on the end of your title. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You’re, you’re okay if I call you doc? Yeah. Fine. I get up. So, so. To address things like that and gambling.

Yeah. Is, which I’m seeing more and more, and they’ve made it so much easier to gamble online. Yeah. Oh yeah. And, and I think, I think that’s a big issue. I, I, I, it sounds like love your Lord, your God with all your heart, mind, and soul. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. 

John-Nelson Pope: And that’s the integration of whole, of, of, of body. That’s what you’ve got this for this seminar.

Yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: Yeah. So what are we looking for? You mentioned this already a little bit, but you know, I think this could be a transformational experience for somebody if they, yeah. Just take a toe, step in the water to check something out. But what are we really wanting them to leave with? How do, how are they really gonna get, yeah.

Jacob Hoyle: A cliche thing to say, but that new sense of purpose, right? Like we talked [01:00:00] about, we talked about, you know, the addictions and things like that. And you’re gonna have guys there that are dealing with all that, you know, uh, for example, you, you talk about lust and it being a trap. Like, this guy’s not showing up for his wife.

This guy’s losing time with his kids and he’s, you know, wait until everyone goes to sleep and he is watching porn or something like that. He’s not having 

John-Nelson Pope: sexual intimacy with his wife because he’s, he’s engaged in pornography, 

Jacob Hoyle: right. So those things, I mean, we’re, listen man, we’re not holding back. We’re, we’re like, Hey guys, this is a, the arena for us to get this out in the open and let’s deal with it.

You know, the elephant in the room never goes away. You have to kill it. Mm-hmm. And this is your chance to kill your elephant, and you’re gonna walk outta here tonight more empowered. Like, my, my goal is to go in there. I’m gonna hype ’em up, man. I mean, this is something I’m very passionate about because it’s things that men struggle with that there is help.

And there’s that stigma of not talking about it. Like, we gotta be tough. Mm-hmm. We’re not gonna talk about this, but you’re gonna be in a room full of brothers that it’s okay to talk about it and you’re gonna leave there with friendships. 

John-Nelson Pope: And I, and [01:01:00] I think you have a great voice for people that are in, in, uh, um, first responders.

Oh, thank you. Oh boy, that’s a big deal. Oh yeah. Because there is a culture there and, um. That is just, it’s silent, but it’s there very much that you don’t talk about it. ’cause you’re gonna lose your job. Oh yeah. If you present yourself vulnerable and you start having health problems and they’ll say, well, you better shape up.

And so they’re having to deal with all of that pressure. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. You know what I hope too is that men will go home and share this experience with their spouse. Yeah. Because here’s what happens. A man becomes vulnerable. He opens up, it’s laughed over. It’s not really taken serious. We make jokes. He shuts down.

You see it all the time. I hear it at least five times a day. Mm-hmm. 

Chris Gazdik: Right. 

Jacob Hoyle: In my, in my clinic. You know? Uh, and, and we’re we’re, it’s coming out where they feel safe. They feel safe in that, in that grind. 

John-Nelson Pope: See, I’m just looking at Dr. Jake here [01:02:00] and you, you’re working with people that normally wouldn’t talk to even Chris or me.

Uh, though I think we’re very relatable. Mm-hmm. But, uh, because of stigma and you can talk to them and you’re pumping iron. Yeah. Or you’re doing these, uh, core exercises. Yeah. And they appreciate that. And you get to them in a, in sort of a back doorway. Yeah. And, uh, and make ’em more amenable. 

Chris Gazdik: Well, listen, John, I think, I think honestly, to play off that it happens naturally.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, when you’re working out, when you’re exercising, when you’re taking in, you know, it opens up avenues to the emotional realm. It just does. I know you’re gonna agree with me. It does. Yeah. But I want to, I wanna add two really important words. First of all, at least it’s ’cause of me. We’re gonna laugh.

We’re gonna have fun. That’s what’s gonna happen in mm-hmm. BI section, at least on some level. But we’re gonna be serious, and you’re gonna feel empowered, and you’re gonna feel encouraged because, you know, tipping your toe into the water just to check out, you know, what might be out there, can be threatening, can be intimidating.

But I want you to understand like, we’re gonna have fun. 

Jacob Hoyle: [01:03:00] Oh yeah. 

Chris Gazdik: You’re gonna be empowered. You’re gonna feel encouraged. You’re, you’re gonna be built up. It’s, yeah, that’s my motivation. 

John-Nelson Pope: That’s our 

Jacob Hoyle: goal. That’s our goal is to build, build these guys 

John-Nelson Pope: up. Dynamos, you get power. Yeah. Greek word, dynamo. Um, dynamo in, you know, in terms of the, in scripture.

Yeah, that’s that. The Greek coin, a reward for power. And so you’re going to empower people. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah. 

John-Nelson Pope: So, 

Jacob Hoyle: well, we also, uh, it, it quote, tell me if I’m getting this wrong, but Ephesus right. He was pushing the, the boulder up the hill constantly. Mm-hmm. Right. There’s a lot of guys doing that. 

Chris Gazdik: Oh, yeah. And they can’t get past that angle.

Go a little more with that metaphor real quick. Yeah. ’cause I don’t maybe make sure people hear it 

Jacob Hoyle: like Ephesus task, you know, people are pushing this boulder up a hill and they’re just ready to give up. Man, that boulder’s about to crush ’em. 

John-Nelson Pope: Right. Or they find they’re back at the bottom of the hill and they’re having to push it up again.

Yeah. And so it’s over and over again. So this goes with the CFIs as well? Yeah. Sorry. 

Jacob Hoyle: It’s, yeah. Cfi. So you, you have to look at it [01:04:00] like this Avengers team we have. You might be pushing that boulder, but when you leave today, it’s gonna get a little easier because you have tools and you have resources.

Chris Gazdik: Leverage. 

Jacob Hoyle: You have 

John-Nelson Pope: leverage. You have people cheering you on. Yeah. 

Jacob Hoyle: Encouragement. 

John-Nelson Pope: Encouragement. Yeah. Yeah. 

Jacob Hoyle: Which men need. Well, absolutely. It’s frowned upon to say it out loud. Right. If you don’t think you don’t 

Chris Gazdik: need encouragement, because you’re a tough old son of a gun down here in the south, you done lost your mind.

If 

John-Nelson Pope: you’re encouraged, you’re en heartened. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So, 

Jacob Hoyle: oh yeah. Well, you know, and I, you know, my wife is love of my life, but I tell all the time, man, it’s, I’m a very simple man. I come batteries equipped, I really do. Mm-hmm. But one thing that really just makes me like, go that much harder, every day she shoots me that message via text.

Just that attaboy, you know? Oh, yeah. Like every man needs that, regardless of age. Absolutely. You know, and a lot of men, you know, if you’re familiar with love languages, a lot of men appreciate that. It’s that Oh, a lot. Uh, words of affirmation. Well, like you said, that’s affirming. [01:05:00] Yeah. And, and it’ll, it’ll turn the juice on.

Yeah, it does. You think he’s like performing now? Like throw a little of that at him every week. And I think managers should do it for their, for their workers, you know, so you’re gonna have guys in there that are team leaders, managers, business owners, they’re gonna leave like, man, I really need to show more appreciation for the people that I have, that I’m responsible for.

Chris Gazdik: So we need a taxi in for a landing a little bit here. Um, and, uh, the shrink wrap up coming up, Jake, I didn’t tell you about it. I’m gonna put him on the spot, but he’s gonna figure that out quickly. Well, he’ll, he’ll get it, he’ll get it. Yeah. No, wait a minute. I’m gonna comment about that anyway, but, but just to retouch back on our, our passion and the, the power of what it is that you do when you’re working with people that you mentioned, we were talking about the transformations and the things that you have been able to witness.

You know, we have shows like My 600 Pound Life, right? Yeah, yeah. And you see these transformations sometimes though, in some of those types of shows and experiences, but you’re real live in a [01:06:00] personal relationship with people. Like 

Jacob Hoyle: how cool is that? Right? It, it’s awesome to witness. It really is. And again, I started this at 18 years of age.

Yeah. You know, started out a struggle. That’s a vocation. A vocation. If you would’ve told me then that, Hey, Jake, God is bestowing upon you an ability to transform lives and impact people. And you’re not only gonna be trusted with them, but they’re gonna trust you so much. They’re gonna want you to help their spouse and their kids as well.

I would’ve never thought that, you know, six, 16 years ago, but here we are. Yeah. You know, this all started because my dad lost his job at Freightliner Man. Oh really? I was on a football on my way to go play ball. Uh, had an opportunity to get on with a, uh, at the time was a junior college, UNC Pembroke, uh, bagged to bag, pleaded sent in film, finally got, got in touch with somebody there.

It’s the first time since, uh, 1945. In oh eight. Oh 7, 0 8, they brought a foot football team back. 

Chris Gazdik: Oh. 

Jacob Hoyle: I was going down to play Ball man. And then, long story short, oh eight, the recession [01:07:00] hit automotive crisis. Mm. Dad was one of about 1700 guys that lost his job. God had other plans. Wow. You know, I wound up, starting off as a janitor at Carmont Health, worked my way up.

Um, had a passion for working out as an athlete, and then one thing led to another. I got certified, went back to school three times, um, then went back again for business. Uh, and man here, you know, so many things I could tell you in that transformation in my life. But I know what it’s done for me and I know what I’ve been able to do to help other people.

And it’s, it’s part who I’m, yeah. He’s you. You didn’t have an easy way. 

John-Nelson Pope: No, no, man. 

Chris Gazdik: Well, he is, he is. Dang good at what he does, guys. Thank you. I gotta tell you, fit view is the bomb. It’s the place to be. Um, what’s the phone number? What’s the contact? What’s the way again? Yeah. Uh, 9 

Jacob Hoyle: 8 0 2 4 1 4 9 6 8. That is our landline.

Uh, you can also reach us at Fit View Wellness, that’s all one word, fit view wellness.com. 

Chris Gazdik: Fantastic. And that’s not just a promo. [01:08:00] That’s, that’s a life changer. John. 

John-Nelson Pope: And you said it’s also Silver Sneakers, so if for people Medicare Advantage, 

Jacob Hoyle: absolutely. Yeah. If you got Silver Sneakers and you have HSA account, even we, you take HSA, um, we can provide, uh, documentation, all the proper paperwork you need to get that approved.

Chris Gazdik: Silver Sneakers start out at 50. Uh, well, what, what’s the age level there, John? I think I is, is 

John-Nelson Pope: 60, 60, 62? Yeah. Oh, uh, early 

Jacob Hoyle: retirement age. 

John-Nelson Pope: Early retirement age. Early retirement age. See, I’m still considered early retirement age. You are, 

Chris Gazdik: John. You are not even retiring for brother. You’re not retiring anytime soon.

I don’t know if you realize that, but No, no, I’m not. You’re not. Okay. Um, all right. We do this thing, Jake called the shrink wrap up. It’s a new thing a little bit. And, uh, what we do is we just take a, take a turn and, um, everyone kind of does a, uh, like a, a summary, if you will, of the show. Yeah. What’s the takeaway?

What’s, you know, what’s kind of the, the main things on your [01:09:00] mind. And then we have Mr. Neil over here, judges, to see who wins the, the competition to make the best point, the clearest point, the most precise or the most poignant, what have you. Yeah. Um, cons. No, concise. It’s not necessarily concise. Now, I, I wanna say John, he doesn’t automatically get the dub right.

He, this is, this is not an automatic dub for just because he’s like, you know, gas and all that kind of stuff. We need to, you know, Neil, you agree, right? Uh, you see, I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah. 

Jacob Hoyle: I love fair competition. Okay. 

Chris Gazdik: Here. Okay, here we go. Where do you wanna go, John? 

John-Nelson Pope: You had me go last time.

Chris Gazdik: Did I? We, we rock, paper and scissors. Okay. 

John-Nelson Pope: Well, you know what, I’m, I’m gonna go ahead and say that because even if I don’t get it, but it, that’s competitive side coming out, is that. Is the best time to begin is now, and you can always improve. And so even if you’re 70 like myself, you’re going to be in a lot better shape at 80 if you take care of yourself.

Chris Gazdik: We are struggling. [01:10:00] We have many issues in our lives. We have a powerful, powerful forces against us in all sorts of ways. And I wanna focus on really the small steps that you can take that make life changing transitions in your life, whatever that might be, making the best next decision that you can make.

And joining with people such as a personal trainer is an awesome and excellent way to go as a starting block. 

Jacob Hoyle: Yeah, I think it’s a call, call of act, call to action for men. Um, the need has never been greater, but the opportunity also is amazing right now because there are people out there that are skilled, equipped, and available to give you guidance and a pathway to make this better.

So I think that the best thing that we can do for ourselves, for our community, and as God led us to do is fellowship, share our gifts, and we have an opportunity to do that June 21st. 

Chris Gazdik: Neil, I don’t, I don’t know what you’re gonna do with this one, brother. This one’s gonna be hard. 

John-Nelson Pope: No, he’s, [01:11:00] 

Neil Robinson: see, now I have this pressure because I mean, how do you, how do you turn down the expert, the one that comes in with all of the baggage?

Now Chris, I think yours was really good, John. Yours was fantastic. It is. You have to start now. And you know, Jake, that was fantastic. I mean, honestly. You guys all hit on the head, you know, in the spirit of fellowship, I really think you guys all put everything together. I’m, I can’t pick a winner. We’re the Trinity.

Jacob Hoyle: Okay. Is that the first time that’s happened? That’s first time. That is the first time brother. I was, I was honestly wondering if he was gonna do that. So there’s gotta be a, a, a triple threat breaker a few months from now. I’m scared of him. That’s awesome. It’s all in good fun. We really hope 

Chris Gazdik: you have a great time and listen to some new things and uh, listen, it’s an important topic.

Uh, men and women alike are struggling, but, uh, men out there, listen, you got this, we are with you. There are people that can be in a community with you. So we hope you picked up a couple gems. We hope to definitely see you on June the 21st, and, uh, check out the links. We’ll have all the [01:12:00] things there for you to get to.

Closing thoughts or comments, gentlemen? Alright man. Grateful to be 

Jacob Hoyle: here, man. It was great to fellowship with you guys. This is fantastic. Chris Gazdik: Yeah, it was really good, Jake. I really appreciate stopping by and taking valuable time to be here. Absolutely. Alright, take care. Stay well and we will see you all next week.