In Episode 368 of Through a Therapist’s Eyes, host Chris Gazdik sits down with acclaimed music producer and engineer Hunter Davidsohn – the creative mind behind releases for Frankie Cosmos, Porches, and Sheer Mag – to explore a poignant, often overlooked reality: professional success cannot insulate us from severe physical suffering. Despite reaching career milestones many only dream of, Hunter opens up about his daily fight with debilitating chronic back pain and how it has reshaped his relationship with his craft, identity, and independence. Together, they dive deep into the psychology of persistent pain, separating the myth of instant healing from the nuanced work of genuine emotional resilience, attachment, and acceptance. This grounded, deeply honest conversation reframes hope not as a guarantee that everything will be fixed, but as a deliberate daily choice to pursue meaning, connection, and creation alongside life’s greatest hard struggles.
Tune in to see Living with Chronic Pain and Choosing Hope Through a Therapist’s Eyes.
Think about these three questions as you listen:
- What happens psychologically when you accomplish things you once dreamed about—but you’re still suffering?
- How do you maintain hope when the problem you’re fighting may not completely go away?
- Is resilience about overcoming adversity, or can resilience mean learning how to live meaningfully with adversity?
Links referenced during the show:
https://www.instagram.com/hunterdavidsohn/?hl=en
https://www.throughatherapistseyes.com/category/podcasts/personalstories
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32694387
https://www.throughatherapistseyes.com/category/podcasts/individualdiagnosis
Chapter 1.11 | Accepting things is a part of your emotional growth.
Perfect for the distinction between acceptance and surrender. Acceptance of chronic pain doesn’t mean liking it or stopping treatment.
Chapter 1.16 | The value of working through life events is high.
Hunter’s experience gives you a real-life opportunity to discuss what “working through” something means when the event doesn’t simply end.
Chapter 1.23 | The body goes as the brain thinks.
This could generate an especially interesting discussion around the bidirectional relationship between physical pain and emotional functioning—while being clear that psychological influence does not mean pain isn’t physically real.
Chapter 1.25 | We are constantly a new self or a reconstituted self.
Chronic pain can force someone to renegotiate identity.
Chapter 1.27 | We experience most what we focus on the most.
Potentially useful, but handle this one carefully: attention influences the experience of pain, but you don’t want to imply someone can simply “think their way out” of severe chronic pain.
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Episode #368 Transcription
Chris (00:01) Hello, I am Chris Kazdick with Through a Therapist Eyes. You're finding us on August the twentieth, two thousand and twenty-six. This is where a place where you get insights and mental health disbursement of myths and stereotypes, knowing it's not the delivery of therapy services in any way. We usually have our full panel. Today we have Mr. John Pope hanging out with us. How are you, sir? John (00:26) I'm doing well, thank considering I went to the VA today and then came back. Chris (00:31) You went to the V You've been going to the VA a lot, brother. John (00:34) I live there. They have a they have a bed ready for me there all the time. So yeah. Chris (00:39) They have a bed for him. Well, and it's and it's kinda apropos for the topic of the show. Hey, that kind of rhymes. you see the title that you clicked on, Hunter Davidson. Success didn't end the pain, living with chronic pain and choosing hope. John, I don't know. We can make this show about Hunter and and his story and stuff, or we could just go with yours. d you know, you want to just do that? Pull an audible? We can pull an audible. John (01:01) No, well let's go with Hunter. That's right. No, I I I I would like to hear the the story for Chris (01:13) I promise we will absolutely do that. This is w YouTube we click on here at about six fifteen, six thirty. It's a great way to interact with us on YouTube live. contact through a therapist eyes dot com is the way that you can interact with us as well. We love to get your feedback, contact and and discussion point. Hey, I actually neglected last week to talk about our new YouTube subscribers. So, real quick, we got Abigail Kane. Welcome. on july the twenty first. We got Isabel Julianne, I think I said that right, on June sixth, Jacqueline Kinnett on July twenty eighth, and then Tony Brewer on July twenty eighth. John, we're blowing up, man. Four. I don't even know what happened. John (01:55) That's great. That's excellent. Excellent. Yeah. Chris (01:58) Right? All right. Click subscribe. Do all those cool things to help us get to the the top of the algorithm smoke screen that is out there. John, they want five stars, four stars, three stars, or what? John (02:09) Five stars. Always five stars because that sets us up for more views, I think, and more clicks. Chris (02:18) More clicks, more views, more stuff. we are licensed clinical therapists doing real clinical work every day, and this is where we talk honestly and openly about what actually helps. And we do have a really cool show today where we're we're sharing a a a powerful story. So oftentimes if you're a listener of the show, you know that I like to say the the hedge line, this is the human emotional experience, which we endeavor to figure out together. Well We're gonna figure this one out together with mister Hunter Davidson, who is hanging out with us. How are you, sir? Mr. Hunter Davidson. Hunter Davidsohn (02:51) I'm w hey, what's going on? I'm well. Thank you for asking. Having a having a decent day today. Chris (02:58) Now I I gotta say, I was I was talking to Neil before the show started. What's what's the deal with the H in the last name? Is it's S-O-N Davidson, right? Or am I supposed to pronounce that differently? Hunter Davidsohn (03:08) No, that's just that's just what it was. Yeah, it's spelled a little differently. I think it's just like the Eastern European thing that they did with it, at one point. John (03:18) It's like Mendelssohn. Hunter Davidsohn (03:20) Yeah, kinda like kinda like that totally. There's other there's other people. Chris (03:26) I just think it's funny because Hunter Davidsohn (03:29) Yeah. I guess I've Chris (03:30) Go ahead. Hunter Davidsohn (03:30) seen it before. I was just gonna say I've seen it before other peop with other people, that I d that I'm not even related to my but most of the time if that's spelled that way I'm related to them, but I'm not sure. Chris (03:43) Well, it's funny because I learned that as I went to an I doctor guy and his name, of course my name, Chris Gazdick, is is a very rare name as well. Well his gaz his name was Gazdecky. So G-A-Z-D-I-K I. And I John (03:57) Yes, thank you. Chris (03:58) learned from him that like people would just throw a syllable on or a a consonant or take one off and when they came over on the boat. So I I guess that they just decided to throw an H on. maybe that's John (04:08) Alice Island. Chris (04:09) it. Dallas Island. Yes, they come over on Dallas Island. Hunter Davidsohn (04:11) Yeah. John (04:11) Yeah. They they would re Hunter Davidsohn (04:13) Yep, I John (04:15) change your name. Hunter Davidsohn (04:17) Yeah, I think they ha had something to do with making it sound more dormant. Chris (04:19) So, Hunter, let me tell the story of how we met. I thought was a cool Hunter Davidsohn (04:22) Sure. Chris (04:23) way to start. Because it was very recently that you and I personally met. I'll be curious to hear what your angle is on your experience of of of that. So it'll be kind of cool to compare notes because it was it was at my buddy Joe's wedding. Shout out to Mr. Joe Jordan, Mr. and Mrs. Joe and Jessica Jordan. I guess I gotta say that right, right? Hunter Davidsohn (04:46) It sounds like a sounds like a that's right to me. Yeah. Chris (04:50) Did I get it right? because when I was best man earlier in my life with Adrian, I said it completely wrong and it was the hit of the wedding. So I was very aware of like, God, I can't do that again. But I was the best man Hunter Davidsohn (05:02) man. Well Chris (05:03) at a wedding, and John, it was interesting because we were just, you know, we were hanging out, it was a busy day, a lot going on, you know, we had to set up, tear down, it's just a lot happening. And you know, we got through the day, Joe got married, Jessica was happy, everything was well, and we were doing the reception, right? know how receptions are. It was a beautiful reception, beautiful wedding up in Binghamton, New York. And later on in the evening, I'm I'm I'm not a very rhythmic guy, John Pope. You know, right? John (05:30) Right. Chris (05:31) I don't I don't I don't have a lot of dance moves. you're teaching me to be confident in my singing voice, but I was looking out on a dance floor and and there's my guy here, and he's he's he's doing the he's he's braver than me. He's out there, man, he's doing it. He's like doing the the what was it? The the two step or a slide dancing what is it called? They they were doing what's it called, hunter? No, what was the Hunter Davidsohn (05:56) Two sub? yeah, what I was thinking Chris (05:59) dance they were doing? Huh? Hunter Davidsohn (06:03) The like line dancing. Chris (06:03) Gonna that's gonna drive me nuts. line dancing. Jesus, they were doing line dancing, right? Line dancing. Yeah, yeah. And so he's out there and he's he Hunter Davidsohn (06:08) Yeah. yeah. Yeah, which we can't we built the stuff that we can't do. Yeah. Chris (06:16) Yeah yeah. We we were trying, I remember saying I'm like, That guy I could dance with, I think I could do this. So I went out with you, man, and we started getting a groove on, right? Hunter Davidsohn (06:26) Yeah, we were we are you know busting busting a move a little bit for sure. Chris (06:33) Right. And we quickly figured out this isn't working well. I think, I don't know, we just decided to stop, right? Hunter Davidsohn (06:40) yeah, we I think we both like gave it a shot and then it was like so hard to keep up with and it we just just we bonded over the fact that it was just like, you know, that kind of instruction and body movement didn't really click for us. And so we sat back down and Chris (06:55) Ha ha. Hunter Davidsohn (06:57) took the took Chris (06:57) Right. Hunter Davidsohn (06:57) the side stage. Chris (07:01) Took the side stage, took the gracious out. But that's where I feel like we connected. And we just started chatting and hanging out a little bit. And that's where you began to share your story a little bit with me. I guess kinda knowing, you know, what I do for a living. I don't know what that was about, but I always, you know, I'm always interested and intrigued and stuff and And how people are feeling and you you were like, Yeah, man, I I really want to be able to do these types of things. I want to be able to engage dancing and, you know, moving and grooving and all that kind of stuff, but it's so frustrating because I can't. And I was like, Yeah, I know, man, I can't either. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and but you're like, No, no, that's not what I mean. You're like John (07:41) So so l let me let me ask you this. Were you dancing like Elaine Bennis did in Seinfeld? Yes. All right. Chris (07:49) Yeah, probably, John. We we Yes. But we moved on because Hunter shared with me that his back pain was the primary reason of what he meant that he couldn't really do this. And it wasn't just back pain, it was back pain that was really pretty debilitating. And I don't know if you listening have ever experienced back pain, but true back pain that is vertebrae frozen and back surgeries and it it's such a crucial part of your body that any kind of damage in the spinal cord or the it just it it really can dramatically change your experience of living, not just dancing. And I think we really connected on that. And Hunter, I I guess I'm curious what your experience was with that conversation and and sort of what your what your thoughts are there. Hunter Davidsohn (08:43) Well, I was feeling I remember just feeling a little bit like I'd wished I could have been more physically involved in the efforts of the whole wedding. And just at that point with my injury just being like a part of it and and and as like taking pictures and standing on uneven ground and and standing through the service, getting up and and and going and I I was just, you know, in the midst of a of a very, very bad spasm and I could really I don't know if I was visibly like if it looked like I couldn't walk very well, but I really was having a hard time moving around that day in general. And sometimes it can be really meditation to kind of sit through watching everybody and appreciating Everybody else's happiness John (09:41) Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (09:41) and not infringing upon that, but like finding comfort in my soul in other ways that might be more conducive to productive brain workings. But I can't I couldn't help but turn to you and say, Man, I wish I could I could be out there and and doing that. And you know, you were you you were inquisitive, so I I I remember. explaining to you a little bit more about that, you know, because it was really nice of you to to ask and wonder because it's a lot of times it's also one of those things where it's like I don't know what I told to who and eventually you know if you're in chronic pain all the time and you're around people and you're constantly having to make up excuses for why you're unable to do something you start feeling like a broken record and I often wonder sometimes why if I'm maybe being, you know, if it starts to get annoying or something that I'm like constantly like a reminding people about it. But I try to I try not to and Chris (10:47) Mm-hmm. Hunter Davidsohn (10:48) I try to be involved in as much as I can. And, you know, it's also just like at at a certain point, it's like if I say something, if I keep talking about it, it's almost like is it worse? You know, is it worse to just keep talking about it? Or is it better to just be silent and and breathe you know. But yeah, our conversation was Chris (11:15) Right. Hunter Davidsohn (11:16) was comforting to be able to just have someplace to put it and what I was feeling at the time. And it was brief, but it was also, you know, important to connect and then you started telling me a little bit about what you did and I think you started asking me, you know, a little bit about like how I how I get through it and and I you know I you know I told you about my resiliency and then you we started talking about this doing this this show. I think you had like an idea that you were that you were working with Chris (11:51) Word is resiliency, right? Hunter Davidsohn (11:53) Yeah. So it's really about making lemonade. Chris (11:56) Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (11:57) You get those lemons, you gotta make lemonade. And I was thinking today about a lot too. a lot kind of just life meditations and what how to succeed and to thrive through it, you know, in and modifying your lifestyle to accommodate your injury or illness or whatever it is, and just doing the best you can with what you have. And you know that's brought me a lot of Chris (12:29) You know, Hunter, resiliency is the word, and I'm glad I'm glad that we did have that conversation and and had that ability to kind of interact. And I'm excited about this conversation because I think that you have a lot of cool things to say that's going to help a lot of people. let me properly introduce you to Mr. Hunter Davidson. I I understand him to be a music producer, is a recording engineer, self professed. he is from small town New York. Now you think New York, John Pope, you think big Manhattan and all these kind of places and stuff. No, it's little small town Binghamton, New York. I think you Hunter Davidsohn (13:07) State. Chris (13:07) you were in Conklin actually. Huh? The Big Apple State. And he and he's from Conklin. John (13:07) The big apple. The big apple. It's not the big apple. Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (13:11) Yeah, I'm in talk with I'm like sort of in the middle of New York, like on the middle of New York on the bottom, on the border of Pennsylvania. So if you think about New York State, the big old Chris (13:24) Yeah, I was in I was leaving and I was I was in Pennsylvania in like five minutes. he's a self professed music fan, collector of records. loves Wi Fi and Hi Fi and all the kind of equipment that a producer would like, I guess. He enjoys restoring and refining different rooms and applications and old cars and sounds like he kinda does a lot of cool a lot of cool things on the side, but his main gig is a recording artist whose career has put him behind the boards of some significant names in independent music. he's produced and engineered records for Frankie Cosmos, worked with artists including what is por Poor Porch? I don't even know, I suck at the whole I live under a rock, hunter. porches. Hunter Davidsohn (14:07) porches, shear mag is a big one, I would say. I'm in a yeah, I'm in a band called Old Lady. Chris (14:10) Yeah. Shear mag, air roar. Hunter Davidsohn (14:15) another really good one, the mystery lights is a really good shout out to them. And I would say another good one to talk about would be fast kids. That's a cool one. man, the list really goes on. Luck very lucky to have worked with some Chris (14:32) Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (14:33) really amazing artists of our time and continue to Chris (14:39) And that's the that's the draw, right? I mean, Hunter, you have been successful. You have been to the mountaintops, if you will, in in some ways. I mean, we all strive to be, you know, good at what we do and and you've worked with so many artists and you're in your own band as well, and covered by publications like Rolling Stone, I've heard of them, the New York Times, I've heard of that, and Spin magazine, I've heard of that. but today John (15:04) Okay. Chris (15:04) we're talking about the part of your life that success hasn't been able to fix. And that's the whole chronic pain reality. But I gotta know, and I you you gotta tell me, I I gotta understand what the heck is it with a gold record? y you were you were produced you were the producer and engineer for a gold record, Hunter Davidsohn (15:23) yeah. Chris (15:23) which I think like nobody does, right? What is that? Hunter Davidsohn (15:26) It's less than one percent of producers, I guess, according to Google, John (15:34) Wow. Hunter Davidsohn (15:36) get this, get to do get get get one. yeah, my favorite producer of all Chris (15:41) That's crazy. Hunter Davidsohn (15:42) time has a couple, you know, and that's it. And yeah, I guess it's it's kind of it's rare to get to to get that kind of recognition. But yeah, kind of kinda cool. Really amazing artist, Frankie Cosmos. We either hit seventy five million streams or sold five hundred thousand copies. I I don't know I don't know which, but John (16:03) Wow. Hunter Davidsohn (16:04) it's a track track called Fool. And it's a proud moment for me because I mixed, recorded and I built the recording studio. I wasn't it wasn't that I was in some spig producer studio and New York or LA. It was like I was I just made a studio and I made this record that did really well and a a lot of ra a lot of records that do that are successful. John (16:34) Here are the new muscle trolls. Hunter Davidsohn (16:39) man, that would be Chris (16:39) New muscle shoals, who's that? Hunter Davidsohn (16:40) man. You know, that's a big that's a big influence John (16:41) Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (16:43) of my of my sound for sure. And I do use a lot of their same equipment John (16:47) Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (16:47) that they use in their studios to to get similar vibes. But John (16:50) wonderful Hunter Davidsohn (16:52) I I really I really do love that. Yeah, a lot of Ampex machines and and s and and other stuff I won't get too deep into, but yeah, just just just really love the iconic classic sounds of all that stuff and And utilizing it to be making more newer sounding music too, not just trying to you know, stuff that's timeless but not derivative is what I would say. Those are the two two main things I try to do, you know. But but yeah, the the pain I've had what's that? Chris (17:26) So so tell me so tell me more, Hun Hunter Hunter, tell me more about what it is that you actually do as a music engineer and as the producer. I mean, I think most people understand what happens with, you know, the the the song. You know, we pick our favorite songs and we get our favorite group and you know, we kind of see s concerts and you know that type of thing. But I think where the where the secret sauce is really exactly with what you do. Am I correct about that? What is move music production and engineering? Hunter Davidsohn (17:57) Well, it all starts with you know, a band and songs and and different kap it it's different for different capacity and different capacities for different projects and and and stylizations. So this isn't this isn't a catch all answer for that because there really isn't one. especially with the various technologies available for recording. Some people record stuff themselves. send it off to me to mix. Sometimes they record a bunch of stuff in another studio, bring it to mind. Sometimes they say, we want to record a record. we want to do it live. We want to come do it in your studio. And that's you know a few different aspects of of of how it would start. Now I would say a typical like live band recording session would probably be the most across the board answer and mo and and straightforward and that would be like, you know, a band books a couple days in the studio and you know a lot of a lot of bands work on weekends because they have day jobs and so I do a lot of a lot of my weekends are usually booked out and so we'll do we'll get them comfortable in the room. I've got a bunch of really Chris (19:23) Mm-hmm. Hunter Davidsohn (19:23) cool like equipment that I've restored and and and fixed and have around for people to be inspired by and use. we pick out the guitar amps, the drums, everything that they're gonna use. And then I kind of place them in the room so that the microphones will capture them but not bleed in too much onto the other things. And I'll make a perfect scenario for them to feel good and comfortable and create the vibe. For them to thrive and feel good about their music and and play with each other and have that environment that is going to be productive. and then we press record and it's either on tape or depending on s the stylization of the project, I'll use different microphones, different techniques, different tape machines, or you know, do it digitally or you know, whatever we figure out what. how many songs we wanna do and we aim for that goal and then we take a dinner break when it's time to take a dinner break and make sure that everybody's in good spirits and has everything that they need and I make it sound good, you know, and twist a lot of knobs and Yeah, Chris (20:39) Make it sound good. Hunter Davidsohn (20:40) I gotta make it sound g make sound good and really it all starts from, you know, from their instruments and their playing too. So if I always ask, I'm never Chris (20:50) Right. Hunter Davidsohn (20:51) really like somebody who who barges in and tells people what to do, but I say like, Hey, do you want any suggestions on this? What do you think about this? Or hey, like, do you think like using like a different drums size drumstick or different kick pedal or you know, a different guitar pick, or hey, maybe do you want to try this amp? You know, it's just it's just about finding the sound with the band. And being at the helm of that and and keeping everybody feeling uncomfortable feeling comfortable and and open and s psyched about what they're doing, you know. Chris (21:30) Hunter, you're a little bit of a therapist in the studio, it sounds like. Right? Hunter Davidsohn (21:34) Yeah, it's so funny. John (21:35) You're hospitable. Hunter Davidsohn (21:36) I'm I'm I'm gonna use this opportunity right now. A shout out to my girlfriend Kaylee Rocker in New Jersey, who is a licensed clinical social worker at Collaborative Therapy Network. And we talk about this in Sonda with Chris (21:48) I met her. Hey Kayleigh. Hunter Davidsohn (21:49) Hey Kaylee, yeah. We John (21:49) Okay. It's her what's her last name? Hunter Davidsohn (21:51) talk about this all the time. So it's like, yeah, it's definitely very similar and and and sessions are sessions. so we both we both have similar Chris (22:00) Mm-hmm. Hunter Davidsohn (22:01) experiences. with that and yeah, totally. I would s I would say I would say that's definitely an aspect of it, Chris, for sure. Chris (22:13) Yeah, I'm curious. And and then John, I'll let you ask Kim the fun parts of what you know what we want to do and getting to know Hunter a little bit before we get to the the the pain parts and the struggle, right? Because it's so cool to celebrate when you do something well. I'm I'm I'm curious, right? Like, you know, when I wrote Through a Therapist Eyes, it w it was so strange to to literally hold in my hand like this manuscript of a book. Like who writes a book? Like everyone wants to. But it's like you y you have this in your hand and you're like, this is about ready to go out to the world, you know? When we first started doing this international podcast, right? It's like strange to think that your voice is going out there and whoever might hear it, right? And then when you hit like a big hit and you and you you're part of creating a a sound and and launching somebody, maybe Frankie'd never been heard before and and And or or s some anyone else that you've worked with and then you're a part of like this launching and then, you know, you get to a golden record. Like that's crazy. What does that do in your brain? How do you incorporate like this is really me, this is Hunter, and I accomplished that. Hunter Davidsohn (23:28) Well, it really just solidifies, you know, I'll be honest with you, growing up, at a young age I was really into musical equipment and a lot of times I would spend every single cent that I had on recording equipment, even if it was broken. And then spent a lot of time learning how to fix it or doing all this. And to be honest with you, at the time it felt kind of selfish and irresponsible to do that. And to me it's just like a level of validation for all that time that I and effort that I put into and sacrifices socially too. Like I would, you know, a lot of my friends, like I lived with roommates growing up in my early twenties and Everybody would be going out and partying and and having a really good time, but I would be in my room soldering or you know, scheming on like the ne like like like next piece of gear I was gonna go get in the morning and like counting my pennies and figuring out how I'm gonna get there and how I'm gonna get back and you know, where I'm gonna put it and and and and the process of of which I'm gonna intake it and fix it and use it. And a lot of that was curiosity based because I I wanted to know what things were gonna sound like and I I really loved certain sounds that I heard and it was mostly old recording equipment that made it. So it's just really validating to hear that, to be able to say like, okay, all that added up to something. And you know, hopefully it you know, it'll Chris (25:06) Yeah, yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (25:08) that's not the last one either, you know. It's just it is also validating for me to say, Okay, like when I When I when somebody asks me what I do, I can really say this is what I do. Cause it's you know, Chris (25:20) Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (25:20) I I I said it anyway, like I would say it without with or without a goal record. I think you are what you do. I think if you believe in yourself, you should just do it, you know. Anything that you're that you're really passionate about and and it's a part of you, it's like don't fight it. That's that's what I would say. But it worked out, yeah. It worked out. Chris (25:37) Love that. So and and you know what, that right there, Hunter, is the beauty of what it is that we want to get to that through our struggle, through our brokenness, that we can get there and even some semblance of of staying there. So I think that's beautiful. John, what do you want to know from Hunter or about Hunter? John (25:57) Well, I I kind of I wanna hear a little backstory where the back went bad and that sort of thing. How did that happen? Or i are you comfortable with that or talking about that? Hunter Davidsohn (26:10) Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I can tell you. I can tell you like the exact moment. I think I was twenty seven years old. thirty eight now, but John (26:20) Well you're twenty eight now, so you've only had this three. Hunter Davidsohn (26:24) I'm thirty yeah, I'm thirty-eight now. I was twenty John (26:27) Yeah, I'm joking with you, man. Hunter Davidsohn (26:29) got you, brother. yeah, so I was I was I c well it all started I kept having these recurring dreams where I was building an old motorcycle and collecting motor parts and my my father, he was a motorcycle enthusiast and engine head start there and he you know, he he passed when I was when I was real young, f about fourteen years old, and I didn't really have much interest in motors or cars or motorcycles because I was really into the recording thing. But when I turned about twenty four, twenty five, I was really starting to like I had made music nonstop from like time I was like sixteen to the time I was like that age. And I started to kind of like want more in my life. So I really wanted to have some sort of physical medium that would be more that would be more meaningful. And I wanted to connect to my roots. I wanted to connect to my father and and be closer to him and and I felt that that was a way that I could. And I wasn't really interested just like with music in newer equipment and newer motorcycles. I wanted an old, old motorcycle and I wanted to build one And I thought the only way I can really ever do that is if I build it piece by piece and I started having these recurring dreams and I decided that I was gonna go out and I sort of met up with these old motorcycle guys. I started going to these old swap meets and stuff. And you know, I felt like a part of my dad was there waiting for me in s in in some way, some spiritual like higher calling. And so I'd I would go to these I would go to these meets and I met I met a guy and He introduced me to another guy who ended up having a an old motor and a and a transmission, two transmissions, one with a case and one with the internal parts so I'd couldn't combine the two and put together. And so I took all this money that I had I'd gotten a a good session little chunk of change and I took all that money and I bought this motor and I started the journey of building a motorcycle. And I figured like if Chris (28:47) Wow. Hunter Davidsohn (28:47) I built this bike, the worst thing that could happen would be I could always just sell it, you know, for more than I have into it. So but it felt really it felt really scary. I remember being like, Chris (28:57) It's a business also. Hunter Davidsohn (28:58) Yeah, I felt really scary at first, like just just going hauling out, but eventually I did. I built this motorcycle, right? I built it in my basement. And it was a race only 1942 Harley Davidson WLA that I put together from parts. And meanwhile I had had experience Chris (29:17) Why don't you be specific? Hunter Davidsohn (29:19) before. Yeah, well maybe somebody wants to know. Chris (29:23) Yeah absolutely. John (29:26) Absolutely amazing. Hunter Davidsohn (29:28) Yeah. Thanks so much. Yeah. So anyways, this bike meant more to me than a lot of things. It was very it was a very spiritually high accomplishment for me at that point. And I never I'll never forget the first feeling of riding that thing after I got to fire up and and and being able to ri to to be able to actually experience the motorcycle as its entirety, like a you know, as a thing, you know, instead of a bunch of parts that I put together. And that was pretty unique and high that I would I I can't even I can't even tell you. If you wanna if you wanna feel some type of way, build something, build an airplane and fly in it or something. I don't know. But or a motorcycle. Chris (30:08) Yeah, that is wild. Hunter Davidsohn (30:10) It was far out. And but that brings me to the part of the story that kind of twists. So it wasn't an accident. It wasn't I didn't get on a motorcycle and fall down. Chris (30:19) Yeah, I was I was thinking we might get to some sort of yeek moment with this motorcycle. But I'm feeling the angst already, man. Hunter Davidsohn (30:24) So lucky I haven't ever had any major accidents, but I was Chris (30:30) Hm, good. Hunter Davidsohn (30:31) borrowing my friend's pickup truck. My bike was in the back. I had just went to a race. I raced it. It was a successful race. And I had to unload the bike at my buddy's house because I was gonna be using his garage to store it because I didn't want to store it on the side of my house. And I didn't have a garage at that point. I built it in my basement. I was living on the west side of Binghamton, New York, and it was just not practical. But I had a good friend Zach who lent me a space in his garage so that I could keep it there. So I'm there by myself, it's raining. I need to unload the bike so I can load up gear because I have a gig, a musical gig. And I'm by myself. I tried to find some help and I couldn't get a hold of anybody, and I thought, okay, well I'll just get the s the ramp down and and and and wheel it down and I was unloading it off the ramp and the bike actually slipped because it was rainy and it fell and not thinking that I would damage my body I went to catch it and to guide it to the ground. I knew I wasn't going to be able to lift it but I thought I could at least soften the blow because here's this thing that I really cared about. And I had the most electrocution shock type of pain in my lower back that I've ever had. And it was so bad that that I I really could barely walk. And I remember just being like, no, what I what have I done? And thinking that I was going to heal and I I woke up the next day thinking, Okay, well, I'll probably feel better tomorrow, you know. and it didn't feel better the next day and it didn't feel better the next day and months went by and it didn't feel better and it was something that I had to I had to now live with and I was doing everything I could to mitigate the pain, trying stretches, 'cause you see all this stuff. Everybody tells you, what what's wrong? What's wrong? And at that time John (32:42) Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (32:43) I I did get an X ray or I got a Finally was able to get an R I after a long time and they said it was a herniated disc. and I basically started to heal and it got a little better, but just ever since then it's never been the same and the past three years it's been the worst that it's been. I had a good period where I was able to like ride a bike and still like function after that, but recently it's really roared its head up and I've been really struggling with it and trying I tried physical therapy and that actually worked for a while until it didn't and so it's been a f constant John (33:38) It didn't. Hunter Davidsohn (33:39) struggle finding the the happy medium between physical activity fixing fixing it, stretching it, moving around and and resting and figuring out, you know, what the what that magic formula is and John (33:58) It takes time, doesn't it? It takes time out of your day, doesn't it? I'm sorry to interrupt you. It just y you have Yeah. And you you Hunter Davidsohn (34:03) Yeah, absolutely. I mean, everything that I do is modified from putting on my socks in the morning to getting dressed. You know, it's just I I have to get dressed with one hand. I I can't I I I like I still have to like, you know, live like I'm injured all the time. And I don't get to do the things I used to do, like run or I'm really lucky though because I actually found John (34:30) Do you did you have any Hunter Davidsohn (34:31) some things Chris (34:36) John, go ahead and I I think you got similar experiences too, John, right? John (34:39) Yeah. Did did they did you have a disectomy, lemonectomy fusion or anything like that? Rod's put in or you're y you're you've not done Hunter Davidsohn (34:47) No, I haven't I haven't opted. John (34:49) that. Hunter Davidsohn (34:50) I'll tell you what I had. I had a I had an injection and that actually made it worse. So I had two injections, John (35:00) Yeah. Hunter Davidsohn (35:01) joint joint facet injections, Chris (35:03) Mm. Hunter Davidsohn (35:04) and I'm still healing from those, which I sh Chris (35:06) Backs are so tricky. Hunter Davidsohn (35:07) I should have been healed from them like two weeks after according to them, but it's been three months and I still feel the injection sites John (35:14) Yeah, trigger point injections, anything like that? Hunter Davidsohn (35:19) I've never done any of that stuff, no. John (35:20) Sugar points, spasms, back spasms, things like that. The reason why Hunter Davidsohn (35:25) tons of yeah, I mean I'm I'm always in spasm. I'm actually learning a little bit more that I can I can utilize the muscle relaxers a little bit, but they really make me sleepy. But but yeah. John (35:37) Do do you take methylcarbonyl or or tazodine? do you know which one you take? Hunter Davidsohn (35:43) Psychoblenz laprene. The the methacolamol makes my heart beat weird. John (35:49) Yeah. Chris (35:49) So let me let me come in and where as you guys are joining and John, I love it. 'Cause like I like like I alluded, John's isn't having, you know, his own troubles. I mean, I don't want to out you, John, but Yeah. John (35:57) Yeah. god, I'm in hell. That's Chris (36:02) You know, it's been it's been hard and and and so what I wanna go back and get us into a little bit is back to that night that we met and and and back to the experience that we had that even created the the creation story of this show and this experience. Because as you as you were sharing your perspective with that story, Hunter, I I can give you the feedback that no, I had no idea. Of course I was running around with my head cut off anyway. I mean it was a very busy day, all the best man activities and wanted to be helpful. I mean I was I was in Bingham then to work. But I didn't know. I and I think that's what's so John (36:39) Okay. Chris (36:40) so frustrating, right? I had no idea what your experience was standing in uneven pavement. All of the pictures that we had to take. I mean, dude, it was hot as all heck out there, man. And we had these big jackets on. I mean, that's hard. You know, and then you're picking up chairs and moving tables and you want to help with the cooler. And, you know, it was a heavy cooler because it was a lot in that cooler. And there's all these things, right? And I'm just bouncing around doing stuff. And you look fine. You look normal. You look like I you know, and and no one knows. Like I th it's it's almost like invisibility to what it is that you're really experience. All of that was was new to me. Like I had no idea that that's all of what you were feeling. And I think that's what I want to get to is into the the day to day. John, you started to get there with like it takes time out of your day doing all of the things, you know, that John (37:34) Yeah. Chris (37:34) you you take for granted. It's it's it's hard, right? John (37:39) Japan. Chris (37:42) Yeah. So so in John (37:43) I find it di difficult, yeah. Chris (37:46) so so in that struggle, I guess to to both of you, especially you Hunter, is you know you go through a grieving in the beginning of that, right? I I your your question, dear, what did I do, right? It well well back back to that first Hunter Davidsohn (37:57) I mean it's anxiety every day if I move wrong. Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, and it gets even worse as Chris (38:04) moment. Hunter Davidsohn (38:05) yeah. Yeah, there was definitely some grieving. Chris (38:08) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back to that first moment. It's like, what did I do? And then it sets in that something happened. And then it sets in that things are different now. And then it sets in that things aren't going back to the way I knew they to be. And so there's this whole emotional reconciliation. I mean, you know what I'm talking about? How did you accomplish that? How did you manage that reality? Hunter Davidsohn (38:35) I I have like a one of my meditative mantras that I have personally just thought of and made up. I d I don't it's it's not it's not something I made up, but it's something that I use as a mantra and it's the it's that the show must go on. And really it's like no matter what, if I'm in pain or if I'm not, I still want I still want to thrive. I still want to have I want to experience it all. Like I will I'd rather be in pain and be successful than be in pain and be unsuccessful or whatever, you know. I am d just so determined, Chris (39:18) Mm. Hunter Davidsohn (39:19) and that determination just comes from within, you know, it's just something that I I really I just it's also a distraction, right? It's like You could you could sit at home and lay down in bed and and and grieve and be sad, or you could go out and try and try to make the best of it, right? And and and at the end of the day, tomorrow you're gonna wake up and maybe it's just one load of laundry, you know, that like doing laundry is is really hard for me to do. And not because it's a hard to a act, but because it's lifting and it's bending over and it's putting in it's it's it's you know, a win when I do it, you know, and then and then getting up and folding it and being on my feet, it can be just that can be a win. And, you know, I do I want to wake up the next day and go, damn, I should have done that. Or do I want to wake up the next day and go, okay, I'm gonna do another mode, you know? it's just what it's just my grandfather Chris (40:21) Absolutely. So Hunter Davidsohn (40:24) actually, really quick, I I I my grandfather said to me when Chris (40:28) Yep, absolutely. Hunter Davidsohn (40:29) I was younger One miracle a day, no matter how small or how big the miracle is, if you have a goal at three hundred and sixty-five days, you will have three hundred and sixty-five miracles. And what will that equal? And that has stuck with me. So no matter how big or small the task, I need it. I need that feeling of accomplishment. It's like a drug to me. Whatever it is. That's and that's I guess that's the will to survive. Chris (41:01) You know, there's a lot there to unpack, my friend. You know, we usually start off through a therapistic with reflection questions, and I want to ask you, the listener, right now to think about these these reflection questions and these things that we're talking about. So number one, what happens psychologically when you accomplish things you you once dreamed about but you're still suffering? Two, how how do you maintain hope when the problem you're fighting may not completely go away? And then three, is resilience about overcoming adversity? Or can resilience mean learning how to live meaningfully with adversity? You know, my son's in the military serving us over in Japan. And you know, he's he he talks about this suffering a little bit that he's get going through. It it's hard. Go Navy, John's John's John (41:48) Go navy, go navy. Yeah, I'm sorry. Go navy. Chris (41:52) down with my Adam. Shout out to my boy Adam. John (41:55) Yeah. Chris (41:55) you know, Hunter, you're talking about some things there, and I think the reality is achievement is real, success is real, but neither makes a human being immune to suffering. We we idealize people and we never really know what it is that they're really dealing with. You know, Hunter has accomplished things professionally that many musicians only only dream about. But yet, you know, Hunter lives with significant chronic back pain. And he's and and thank you for so courageously describing you know, the the the the process that you went through and what I really hear, you know, in is the psychology of chronic pain. I mean, that's a segment that we wanted to think about. Like what do we do? How do we manage mood and sleep and concentration, relationships, work, identity, a sense of independence, creating and maintaining hope. Like you just talked about a lot of really specific things to unpack that you have mantras and meaningful words and support from other people, encouragement goes a long way. These are these are, you know, really vital to anybody's success, let alone when we're dealing with something as challenging as chronic pain. Does that make sense? Hunter Davidsohn (43:10) Can I Yeah, and and can I can I elaborate a little bit more? You just made me think of of of something. I think Chris (43:16) Please, please, please. Hunter Davidsohn (43:17) I think that I've been able to connect more with my community and with people around me and people that I love by asking for help, you know, and being able to exchange some of my work for help. I had a good friend of mine, beautiful, beautiful songwriter, amazing. shout out Adam Amram. one of my good friends and collaborative partners. We've made two records together and he's recently ca come and helped me with some of my some car stuff and some some painting and some lifting in exchange for some studio work. And it was such a beautiful way to do that and and then and connect with Adam outside of the studio and a beautiful experience and and being closer to my family. you know, it I think I think a lot of times like if everything is great and you're feeling so good and you're just out all the time and you don't need anybody's help, you know, I could be a little bit more isolate isolated by nature, but you know, I've I've Chris (44:20) Mm. Hunter Davidsohn (44:21) been a little bit more open to asking for help and and some of the beautiful connections that have been able to be made through that is, you know, I think I think also just finding the light and and whatever it is, It's a part of that hope and a part of that fuel for inspiration, you know. It's it's it's looking at something and and twisting it and saying, Okay, well what's good about this? Like even if I'm not enjoying this or having a bad time in some way, what are the good things about about this? to add to that. But so much to unpack, you're right. Yeah. but I'm I'm really glad to share the soul. Chris (45:00) Yeah, there is and it's so and it's so beautiful. You know, you're you're super on point with asking for help and at that's like we're taught like that's bad or or that you're weak if you do that or I mean Hunter Davidsohn (45:12) Right. Chris (45:12) we talk about this on the show all the time, you know, the different myths that are out there and cultural bullshit that just locks us alone and and isolates us and I'm glad that you're getting better asking for help, man. I that every day we need help every day. Hunter Davidsohn (45:26) It's been a beautiful it's yeah, it's been a beautiful process and yeah, just it's a really proven to be a light in my life, you know, to to to have more people around to you know and and shout out to all my friends who helped me, my band mates who helped me carry the amp into the gig and you know, all the sound guys that helped me put my pedal board back in the pedal case, you know, whatever, if I was if I was really having a hard time that day if 'cause of driving a long way, you know, it's just Thank you everyone. I I just shout out shout out to the world for you know and and and not to mention, you know, I've been able to help other people too and and that's a great feeling. So hopefully, you know, it's a gift that keeps on giving really. Chris (46:18) Right. Well it see that's where it goes both ways, right? It goes it goes both ways. Like that's why I love this this doing this podcast. I mean we we we've made zero money at this point, which we're gonna change because we're all gonna be on YouTube and we're gonna get subscriptions and all that you're gonna tell your friends. That's what we're gonna do. But till we get to that point, we do the show and I love to say the human emotional experience, which we endeavor to figure out together. That's you know, it it goes both ways. You're helping people By sharing your story, you're helping people with vulnerability. John, have you ever have you ever heard from a therapist client relationship when somebody was vulnerable with a family member or vulnerable with a friend or vulnerable in their life that they regretted it and that it really blew up against them in their face? Are you muted? There you go. John (47:11) haven't heard of anybody doing that. In fact, they can build themselves up to be you know so scared that that they're gonna be rejected or that that they're opening up and making themselves vulnerable that they may it somehow it's gonna damage them psychically or or spiritually or whatever. And whenever you take that leap of faith you actually are able to make yourself even more vulnerable and you know that you're not going to lose yourself. And in fact you gain more of your identity by risking and sharing. Chris (47:59) You know, there's a lot about identity. Thank you for bringing up that that notion. I wanna come back to that as we move around and say, you know, just last week we did episode three sixty seven and the reason why I'm highlighting that is, you know, why some people break and others grow, which is what we we talked about last week and we we really it it it serves to review that we talked about, you know, what what keeps someone going, what What what's really that difference between laying down, as you said, Hunter, could have done that yesterday. I wish I would have done that. But instead you get up and do, and the next day you're able to say, I th I thrived, I I I I I grew, I I accomplished. You know, meaning that we take, purpose that we have, attachments that we enjoy, support that we allow, as we said, ask for help, flexibility. in our personality, acceptance, which is a huge thing, are some of the things we talked about last week that r really gets into, you know, what you just were talking about, John, and mentioning. John (49:10) Okay. Yeah. Chris (49:12) Chronic pain can take your identity, or chronic pain John (49:15) Yeah. And and that's yeah. Chris (49:17) you can keep your identity. Go go ahead, John. John (49:20) No, no, I I I it's exactly you don't you don't let the pain circumscribe your identity because the pain and hunter I think you probably can attest to this is that it's chronic pain narrows your vision. And that is and you and you're focused in on the pain. And you have to have, I think. the self-acceptance and the stones and the the courage to to reach out and and make sure your vision doesn't become narrow. Your vision expands. And I think if you can do that, I think Hunter with your music, it certainly could help you with with meaning if when you're composing or producing, you can translate that pain into something beautiful. Am I am on the right track on that or in your experience? Hunter Davidsohn (50:18) Absolutely. Chris (50:19) You're absolutely on the right track, Hunter. Hunter Davidsohn (50:19) And I mean Chris (50:20) I think you're living it, right? Hunter Davidsohn (50:22) I think that you know, whether it's physical hardships or emotional hardships, any dealings, some of the most beautiful art has been created through that. and granted it's not something that is necessary for beautiful art to exist. It definitely ushers it and one of the things that I think that as a songwriter and and poet or w whatever you want to call it, I think that when you write things from here and you have like a really from your heart and you have like a really deep being, you know, you are one of the gifts that I feel like I have is the ability to connect with people on a deeper level. And to help people and really why I make music and why I make art and why I l you know do a lot of the things I do, it's because it brings joy and it brings light into this world. And I think at the end of the day, like that's really what makes me sleep the best at night. and keeps me going when I'm in pain to know that it's gonna make bring joy or make someone's day or even if it's the artist that I'm working with and it's just our experience together in the studio and and their vision being met and had and that really brings me, you know, a lot of joy and makes me feel accomplished 'cause it's mo I'm it's always the most important thing to me is that everybody's having a good time and is happy, you know. Chris (52:19) know, I get that, Hunter, and and and I can really join you with that. I mean, you know, I would love for us to be Joe Rogan level, right? You know, that'd be interesting. I would love for my book to be a New York John (52:29) You gotta save your head. Chris (52:30) Times best selling author, right? You know, and and but, you know, when you get into doing any kind of creativity, you realize quickly that that's not really what it's about. It's really about the relationships that you develop, the the interviews that I've had on on the podcast and getting to know people and You know, if if if the book helps one person and only one person is like, that's truly amazing. And and and so what I hear you saying is you've really gotten genuine, humble, real, vulnerable, and that is sustaining, not really even for other people, although they gain a benefit, it's sustaining for the person, for you. Is that so? Hunter Davidsohn (53:16) Yeah, I think I think so, for sure. yeah, it's it's it's important that the journey is really is really worth that and not just the destination because yeah, you know, the success is success is survival as Leonard Cohen once said. Chris (53:39) Ha ha. Love that. Yeah, yeah. Love that. John, what are you thinking when it comes to hope and and and identity and meaning and and some of these things? I mean it's kind of impressive that Hunter's doing these things to kind of sustain, right? John (53:57) Yeah, he's he's an existentialist and he may not be aware of that, in many ways. You have a reason for being. And if you have a reason to to and for and you find meaning in your life, you can endure almost anything that that happens to you. And that doesn't mean Hunter Davidsohn (54:17) Right. John (54:18) that you don't falter, you don't stumble or anything like that, but something happens. You get thrown into the muck and you're in pain and you're overwhelmed and something wonderful happens and you start to get back out of that muck and you you continue on and you produce better music, you're more creative. And even if the pain is so blinding, that's and that's with me, at least. I know that I'm gonna see my clients. I'm going to they they are I feel like I'm helping. I'm also feeling like they're I'm seeing them grow and and so what I find out is my back doesn't quite hurt as much. You know, it takes it off of of of that focus and I'm able to to to share with others and I I th I don't know. Is that how you feel about it or you have a different Chris (55:25) Let me say Hunter John, I I I agree. Oops, we may have just lost Hutter with his battery. I meant to ask him about his battery. No, that's beautiful. That's if we lost if we lost him, that's a that was a a a perfect ending for him to hear. 'Cause what I was going to i is is throwing on is we Neil will reach out and see if you know, we lost him or if he's coming back. But you know, choosing hope and dealing with with with that pain that you were talking about and what lights you up, John. You know, y we might think that hope means everything's gonna be okay and that's that's just not what it is. hope can instead really mean, you know, that there are things worth doing while things are hard. And I just yeah, I I agree, John. I I heard I heard Hunter talking about that ad ad nauseum. Very strong. John (56:15) Victor Frankel said in in the death camps, he said that the people that died the most were they would hold on for a little Hunter Davidsohn (56:22) Well. John (56:23) bit and and they'd hear if if if your liberation just came at you know two weeks down the road and we're gonna be free and and Christmas. And freedom Chris (56:36) Right. John (56:37) didn't happen. And sure enough, the people that had believed that and put their hope in something that was ephemeral, they would they would end up dying. And so so I'm I'm thinking that the way you described it and way Hunter has described it is that we're it's true resilience and yet also knowing that you're still gonna hurt, you're still gonna, you know, there's no quick fixes. And Chris (57:12) Yeah, people were looking for that, John, you know. by the way, audience, Hunter's back. We we we just had a drop and you come back. So what I said when you were gone as as you dropped off right when John was done, Hunter, I I was talking about hope and what it what it means is not that everything's just gonna be okay. It means that, you know, we anticipate good things happening and we're striving towards that. But, you know, that even though things are hard, things are I'm struggling, I'm broken, I'm on the floor. Like I We we strive to make those things happen. You know, I wrote a book on marriage during the decade of hell is what I call it. Marriage was falling apart, life was a mess. I was broken, I was on the floor, I was only picked up by my friends. And I can go into that, Hunter. I think we need to connect off air and chat. I would love that. Right? John (57:57) That's like the the song Torn by yeah. Chris (58:01) It he has a lot of musical references, Hunter. Have you noticed that? Hunter Davidsohn (58:07) There's there's there's endless amounts of heartbreak in music, you know, it's Chris (58:11) Mm-hmm. Hunter Davidsohn (58:12) for sure. Chris (58:14) And you know, another thing that I really appreciated that you did, Hunter, is is you included the mental health realities, right? I mean, we're talking about back pain, physical pain, brokenness in a physical body. But I tell ya, I can't tell you how many people that I've gone through over the years that have like mental health disabled. They don't work. They can't work and they're they're on full disability, but I mean they can pick up those chairs at that wedding and run around, you know, hunter, and do all the things. But they're disabled and and and things like fibromyalgia or bipolar. I mean, these are we have a lot of ways to be broken. So we can all lay down or we can all do like you, step up, step into it and see what we can accomplish today. What do you say? Hunter Davidsohn (58:58) Yeah. Yeah, I think that there's there's definitely it's definitely a choice. although it I know it's not always the same for everyone and there's different capacities and you know, different ailments and experiences. So I can't speak for everyone when I say that it's a it's a choice, but I think that if you ask yourself can I And should I? The answer is yes, you know. The answer is yes, and you should at least try. And like I said, one miracle a day doesn't matter how small or how big, three hundred and sixty five days you have a mirac three hundred and sixty five miracles. And and John (59:38) Perfect. Hunter Davidsohn (59:38) what is that equal? You know? Chris (59:40) It really is perfect. John (59:41) Perfect, perfect. Chris (59:43) Yeah, that's a that's a beautiful it's a beautiful script. you know, we do on the show towards the end here is we need to taxi out for a landing. Not immediately, but we've still got some some some minutes. We like to do practical questions to the to the listener. John, let's try to be brief. What that means, ni Hunter, is we we jump in and we kinda ask the listener a question. And I want to invite you to either ask a question or you've already kind of done it in multiple ways with the miracle. three hundred sixty five, but what you would what you would want somebody who's struggling in any way that they're struggling to to do. so you can ask a question or make a statement. you down you down to play a practical questions with us with us hunter for a minute? Hunter Davidsohn (1:00:29) Yeah, absolutely. Why don't you guys go first so I I don't so I can think of Yeah. I think I talked too much. Chris (1:00:32) Okay. absolutely. Absolutely. You you gathered some thoughts and and and and we'll do that. So the practical question I'm gonna ask you, the listener, when circumstances cannot immediately change. Something's happened, something's gone on, something you didn't want, maybe something that you did want, but you can't immediately change, what gives you reason to keep moving? You know, what gives you that reason? And there are things that you can grab onto God, faith, family, treasure. Success, helping others, gratitude, these are some things. So I would ask you, when your circumstances cannot immediately change, what gives you that reason to keep moody? And I think John has a question for you. John (1:01:16) I a and I'm gonna say that the chronic pain, this is just a practical question, is how you're able to know that your chronic pain that you have, and it could be also psychologically pain condition that you may have and learn how to live with and and it's it's a kind of a melancholy pain that's there. But instead of having it control you, you find and dig deep in your inner strength, your inner core, and say, This is what the challenge that life has given me. I I I can do I can attain new things, new thoughts and new wholeness despite or in spite of the pain, and I can continue on and I might make someone else's life better. by sharing myself in their lives. Chris (1:02:19) Love that. All right, Henry, you said you'll play along. So either a thought that you'd like to offer somebody, a question that you like to reach out and ask them, something that might be helpful or something that might be thoughtful. What's you what you got? What you think? Hunter Davidsohn (1:02:35) I guess my question would be, who is it in your life that you look up to or are inspired by? And who are some of who are some of the people that you're inspired by? And throughout history, it could be it could be a Greek god, it could be, you know, your a a friend, you know, it could be a family member. or an artist or a musician or somebody you look up to in some type of way and what have they endured, you know, and and I g I bet you that everybody has has had something they had to r had to overcome and conquer in their life, you know. I just it's not it's not perfect for everyone. So just so just just start thinking about who inspires you and you know, what they you know, what they ha have been through, you know, because you're not alone is what I'm trying to say, you know. But yeah, that'd be that'd be my question. Chris (1:03:32) You know, it's it's wild hunter. We I love that. Yeah I think you took a took the took the dub on that one as far as the three go. I mean, because we really do pine after people, you know, particularly when you reach any level of fame, right? People think you have it so easy, things are going so well, everything's perfect, like gosh, have we have we have we crushed that myth a little bit maybe today? Hunter Davidsohn (1:03:56) Hopefully. It's everybody's dealing with something. Chris (1:03:56) It's just not. It's just not. John (1:03:58) Yeah. You know you know s sometimes people you know. Chris (1:04:03) What's that, Hunter? John (1:04:04) Everybody's dealing with something. Hunter Davidsohn (1:04:05) Everybody's dealing with something. Yeah, people. It's it's it's the the human condition. Chris (1:04:12) It is the part of the human condition we are all dealing with something, yeah. John, do you have some com concluding thoughts or anything you wanna say? John (1:04:19) As as the great rock theologian Dylan. what is it? Zimmerman, what's his name? Bob Dylan says, You gotta serve somebody. Hunter Davidsohn (1:04:31) Bobby B. John (1:04:32) You gotta serve someone. And he can and the thing is is that I think that with your head follow what the advice and the statements that are our guest has said today that Hunter has said today that we can we can serve the pain or we could choose to serve something greater than ourselves and you can you can actually make a difference in people's lives. And so who are you going to serve? Chris (1:05:12) Love that. Hunter, how do people find you? it don't be embarrassed or shy promo, whatever. Like, how do people Hunter Davidsohn (1:05:18) no, hunted Chris (1:05:20) find Hunter Davidson? Hunter Davidsohn (1:05:23) Yeah, I'm on I'm on Instagram. I'm on Facebook. I I think Instagram is probably the easiest way to access me and my music. my studio is called Business District Recording. That's at Business District Recording. And thanks so much for the plug opportunity. Yeah, and my Instagram is my name, how it's how it's spelled with the H in the end. And very simple, straightforward. That's it. That's probably the easiest. John (1:05:47) Yeah. Can I ask you? Chris (1:05:49) Now you're gonna give me hold on, John, you're gonna give me some links and we're gonna have that on our website and on the front end of our show and everything. So we'll make we'll make sure that that's out there. But absolutely, honor. We want people to be able to find you. What's that, John? Hunter Davidsohn (1:05:58) Yeah, and and feel free to reach out if anybody's inspired or f or or or wants to wants to connect and and and and share their story. I I'm I'm always here and and and I love I love helping people and bringing bringing the light. And if you have a band and you wanna you wanna sound good, you wanna come out to upstate New York and record a record, hit me up. Never know. Yeah. John (1:06:17) Beautiful country. Chris (1:06:19) It's a beautiful country, it is. It is. No, I John (1:06:20) yeah. Hunter, I g Chris (1:06:23) go ahead, John. John (1:06:23) Hunter, did I mishear your girlfriend's last name? What what was it? Hunter Davidsohn (1:06:31) her name is Kaylee Rocker. She's a licensed yeah. And she's a beautiful musician too. Yeah. John (1:06:34) Rocker. No, that's the perfect name to be dating somebody to that that Chris (1:06:41) Yeah. John (1:06:42) is a music Hunter Davidsohn (1:06:42) huh. John (1:06:43) producer. You can't make that up. Chris (1:06:46) No. Y you're gonna have to take her name instead of her taking Hunter Davidsohn (1:06:47) She's an a be a brilliant musician herself. Chris (1:06:50) your name. You hear that, Hunter? Hunter Davidsohn (1:06:54) Yeah, I know, right? John (1:06:56) Ha ha ha. Chris (1:06:58) Yeah, he didn't sound excited about that one. Sorry, Jay. Sorry, my dear. No, listen, I really appreciate your courage. I appreciate your willingness to share. I appreciate your story. I appreciate your struggle. And I and I mostly appreciate your willingness to help other people and and and have an episode like this and a conversation and maybe would lo maybe would like to do it again. we want to be available to you as well and maybe track some of your success and and see if we can kind of do some more good in the world. John, one last thing. Did you put that musical instrument in the background just for today? Like what are you doing, brother? You're guilty. Guilty. Can you actually play that thing? John (1:07:28) Yes, I did. Yeah, I did. I'm guilty. Yeah. I've got a client who's got yeah, used to. yeah, used to. And I Chris (1:07:41) Well maybe we need to get you some studio time. Hunter, last words go to you. Any any closing thoughts, comments? Hunter Davidsohn (1:07:48) I just want to say thanks for everybody who's listening and I I hope this was helpful or useful, even if it was just a little bit. and thanks so much for for listening to my story and and and for following along and and supporting Chris and and bringing some some light into this world through this show. I I really appreciate you having me. Thanks, guys. John, Chris is really great. Appreciate it. John (1:08:12) Yeah. Chris (1:08:13) Really cool stuff. I can John (1:08:13) Thank you. Chris (1:08:14) tell you're a really neat person, Hunter, and it's really been awesome to have met you, sir. Really has. All right. Hunter Davidsohn (1:08:19) Likewise, likewise. Chris (1:08:21) We will see you guys next week. Take care, stay well. And we're gonna do the month in review, which we'll talk about this episode again next week as we review the shows and the things we did in this month of August twenty twenty six. Take care, stay well, and we'll see you next week.